Appliance garage receptacle

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210.51(C)(5) says the receptacle(s) in the appliance garage are not considered as the required outlets. Seems like that would mean they can't be on the small appliance circuit. But they are in my house and I would think that they always should be. Is there some way to say the appliance garage receptacles must be on the small appliance circuit? Then how about other receptacles that are excluded, like more than 20" above the counter intended for an appliance above the countertop?

What got me thinking about this is someone had a small countertop removed to install a range in that location and wanted the countertop receptacle moved up to be in the cabinet to serve a micro-hood. Seems like that shouldn't be allowed.

Second question, did the 1989 code not require two SA circuits for the counter tops? This house built in 92 only had one. The island countertop extended slightly more than 6" where the receptacle was, but I found 1993 code didn't yet have that rule.
 
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210.52(C)(5) Only say's that they can't count as the required wall space receptacles. This means if you have a 12" space on each side of the appliance garage, the receptacle in the garage can't be counted as the required receptacle. and a receptacle will be required in each of those locations.

Now they do serve the counter top space so 210.52(B)(3) does require them to be on a SA circuit And 210.8(A)(6) will require them to be GFCI protected.

But as far as using the counter top SA circuit to feed a micromate above the range? The only thing I can come up with is 210.23(A)(2) which requires that a fixed in place appliance can not use more than 50% of a circuit where both this appliance and receptacles serving other counter top spaces are on the same circuit.

[ September 10, 2004, 12:30 AM: Message edited by: hurk27 ]
 
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210.52(B)(3) doesn't say receptacles that serve the counter tops, it says receptacles that 210.52(C) requires, which is why the wording suggests they shouldn't be on the SA circuit.
 
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Originally posted by paul32:
210.52(B)(3) doesn't say receptacles that serve the counter tops, it says receptacles that 210.52(C) requires, which is why the wording suggests they shouldn't be on the SA circuit.
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It doesn't??
210.52(B)(3) Kitchen Receptacle Requirements. Receptacles installed in a kitchen to serve countertop surfaces shall be supplied by not fewer than two small-appliance branch circuits, ...
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Oops. That's what I get for not having a code book in front of me when replying :)
I assumed that subsection was the one that said only outlets in 210.51(A) and (C) are allowed. THAT is what doesn't say countertop receptacles.
 
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When when said 210.52(B)(3) it was 210.52(B)(1) that I was thinking. Anyway, while 210.51(B)(3) says the appliance garage receptacles should be on the SA circuit, 210.52(B)(1) suggests they shouldn't. Since (3) says countertops I guess that is how you could say the micro-hood receptacle cannot be on the SA circuit.

So on the remodel to move a countertop receptacle up to serve a micro-hood, would you do that or run a new wire instead (more work)?

Anybody with a 1990 codebook to answer the last question of my original post?

[ September 13, 2004, 02:46 PM: Message edited by: paul32 ]
 
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There isn't a 1989 NEC. The 1987 and 1990 versions did require receptacle outlets along the countertop. But they did not use the term "Small Appliance Circuit." Article 210.11 was introduced in the 1999 NEC.
 
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Don't know what I was thinking with 1989. I'm not really as dumb as this thread maybe sounds. :)

The 1993 NEC did refer to SA circuits. Maybe 210.11 came in 1999, but in 1993, 220-4(b) had the requirement for two SA circuits and 210-52(b)(2) had that two SA circuits should serve the countertop. So are you saying 1990 did not have small appliance circuits and the countertop could be on any circuit? This house had only 1 GFCI receptacle on the countertops, but I think the house I built in 1990 had two, but that doesn't mean two were required by code.
 
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I received a PM advising me that the information used to be in a different section. So I looked again. The oldest book in my office is the 1984 version. In 1984, Article 220-3(b)(1) required ?two or more 20 amp small appliance branch circuits for . . . the kitchen, pantry, breakfast room, and dining room of a dwelling unit.?

In reviewing the older codes, I had only looked for 210.11. Not seeing SA circuits mentioned there (not even finding a 210.11), I figured they had not yet been addressed. My bad.
 
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How many times are we going to beat this one back and forth.An appliance garage is required to be on the small appliance circuit 20 amp but since not readily available it does not have to be GFCI protected.All other measurments come to bear after we exit it.
 
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As far as the micro/hood /ignigtor circuit goes we do it as a standard dedicated circuit.
 
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