Approved handle ties

[William1978]

Do they make an approved handle tie for 3 pole breakers? Told by an Electrician today that he couldn't find any. I've never seen any and never had a need for any.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Do they make an approved handle tie for 3 pole breakers? Told by an Electrician today that he couldn't find any. I've never seen any and never had a need for any.

I believe we have had this discussion and the answer was NO.

 

[electricalperson]

just buy a 3 pole breaker. even some of the approved handle ties are not that good at shutting off both breakers. before that was enforced we used to use a screw and it would work

 

[raider1]

I did a quick Google search and was not able to come up with an identified 3 pole handle tie, just ties for 2 adjacent breakers.

Chris

 

[C3PO]

What kind of breaker is it?

 

[C3PO]

The only three pole handle tie that I know of is a QO3HT for Square D QO style breakers

 

[William1978]

I believe we have had this discussion and the answer was NO.

Yes that is what I thought. I figured maybe someone on here has seen one.

 

[William1978]

What kind of breaker is it?

I'm just talking in general. All brands

 

[infinity]

I find it hard to believe that there aren't 3 pole handle ties made for every breaker considering that they have been required by the NEC for some MWBC's since the 2005 code.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

I find it hard to believe that there aren't 3 pole handle ties made for every breaker considering that they have been required by the NEC for some MWBC's since the 2005 code.

I have asked about them at our supplier for GE and they are not available-- at least according to their sources.

 

[JohnJ0906]

just buy a 3 pole breaker. even some of the approved handle ties are not that good at shutting off both breakers. before that was enforced we used to use a screw and it would work

Handle ties aren't intended to shut off all 2 or 3 poles in the case of a trip, they are to insure all 2 or 3 poles are turned off when it is done manually.

However, I can't find anything in the UL White Book to back this statement up.

 

[480sparky]

Handle ties aren't intended to shut off all 2 or 3 poles in the case of a trip, they are to insure all 2 or 3 poles are turned off when it is done manually.

However, I can't find anything in the UL White Book to back this statement up.

DIVQ.

Paragraph 41 on page 571 kind of explains it too (2008 Edition).

 

[William1978]

I have asked about them at our supplier for GE and they are not available-- at least according to their sources.

That is what I keep hearing from so electrician's

 

[infinity]

My guess is that manufacturers want to sell 3-pole CB's instead of a $2 handle tie.

 

[Cow]

My guess is that manufacturers want to sell 3-pole CB's instead of a $2 handle tie.

That's nice. Now if one breaker pole gets weak or goes bad, you're replacing a 3 pole breaker instead of just one single pole.

 

[480sparky]

That's nice. Now if one breaker pole gets weak or goes bad, you're replacing a 3 pole breaker instead of just one single pole.

And how is that bad if you're a manufacturer?

 

[infinity]

And how is that bad if you're a manufacturer?

It's bad for the consumer.

 

[William1978]

My guess is that manufacturers want to sell 3-pole CB's instead of a $2 handle tie.

That is what I'm thinking but I was wanting to see if there were any so I could tell the electrician's when I turn them down for not having a common trip a cheaper solution than having to buy a 3 pole breaker.

 

[480sparky]

It's bad for the consumer.

Manufacturer sell to satisfy thier shareholders, not the end user.

 

[LarryFine]

That's nice. Now if one breaker pole gets weak or goes bad, you're replacing a 3 pole breaker instead of just one single pole.

That's what happens with most printer color cartridges, too.