Arc Fault and Dining Room

[A/A Fuel GTX]

Regarding 210.12 (B), is a dining room a formal dining room only or is an area off the kitchen where a table may be placed also a dining room? Arc Fault requirements are coming here on Jan 1 and as far as I can see, that would be the only required area where a 20A AFCI would be needed. In the past, I would just put an area where the table would go on one of the SABC's but they don't need AFCI protection.

 

[raider1]

is a dining room a formal dining room only or is an area off the kitchen where a table may be placed also a dining room?

IMHO both are dining rooms and as such both need AFCI protection.

Chris

 

[A/A Fuel GTX]

So I guess I could just put one of the SABC's on an arc fault breaker and feed the dining room that way. I was just going to put the DR on a separate 20A circuit but in some of my houses, the dining room may only contain a couple of receptacles and that seems like overkill to run an AFCI circuit for that. I assume there is no conflict putting a GFI recept on an arc fault breaker?

 

[Dennis Alwon]

There is no conflict with AFCI and GFCI.

I would run a separate circuit for the dining area and breakfast nook (if you will) and be done wiith it-- no GFCI but AFCI is needed. Of course you still need your 2 SABC on the counter.

 

[480sparky]

Or you could put one of the existing SABCs on an AFCI, and run it out there, before any GFI receps no less.

 

[A/A Fuel GTX]

Or you could put one of the existing SABCs on an AFCI, and run it out there, before any GFI receps no less.

Agreed but actually there is no reason why the DR recepts couldn't be on the load side of a GFCI recept.....

 

[raider1]

Agreed but actually there is no reason why the DR recepts couldn't be on the load side of a GFCI recept.....

I agree, there is no reason that the Dining room receptacles can't be supplied from the load side of a GFCI. In fact I see this from time to time in new homes in my area.

Chris

 

[One-eyed Jack]

I have not tried it but I have been told by ec's that the GFCI and Arc Fault don't play well together.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

I have not tried it but I have been told by ec's that the GFCI and Arc Fault don't play well together.

Interesting, I have never had a problem with AFCI and GFCI. I must admit I have not had the two together since the combo AFCI's came out but they should not be an issue. Everyone I have talked too has had no problem.

 

[raider1]

I have not tried it but I have been told by ec's that the GFCI and Arc Fault don't play well together.

I agree with Dennis, I have not heard of any substantiated problems with installing a GFCI receptacle on an AFCI protected circuit.

Chris

 

[electricmanscott]

I have not tried it but I have been told by ec's that the GFCI and Arc Fault don't play well together.

They work fine with jiffys, it's EVERYTHING ELSE they stink with.