Arc Fault Breakers in a Motel?

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Here is my question. I know you are supposed to install arc fault protected circuits in the sleeping room of a dwelling unit. We are looking at a motel. Are we required to install arc fault protected circuits in the sleeping areas of the motel? Is the entry way to the room considered part of the sleeping area? I have two separate opinions on this, one person says it is required, the Square D representative says they did not supply arc fault breakers on two other motels they provided gear for.
 
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I don't believe that a "motel" would include permanent provisions for cooking. Therefore, by the Article 100 definition, the motel rooms are not "dwelling units." Therefore, Article 210.12 (AFCI) does not apply. No AFCI is required.

Now if you ask the same question about Extended Stay America or a similar accommodation, one that does have a stove in each unit, the answer would be different.
 
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To back up the post made by Charlie B

210.18 Guest Rooms and Guest Suites.
Guest rooms and guest suites that are provided with permanent provisions for cooking shall have branch circuits and outlets installed to meet the rules for dwelling units.
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Curious. What does having provisions for cooking have to do with arc fault? In other words, why do the code writers wave the afci rule for non-residential applications of this type? My bedroom doesn't have provisions for cooking (those days are all but a memory) yet I am required to have afci protection.

Bob
 
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Originally posted by bthielen:
Curious. What does having provisions for cooking have to do with arc fault? In other words, why do the code writers wave the afci rule for non-residential applications of this type? My bedroom doesn't have provisions for cooking (those days are all but a memory) yet I am required to have afci protection.

Bob
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The NEC states that if a guest suite of a hotal has permanent provisions for cooking then t is to comply with;
210.18 Guest Rooms and Guest Suites.
Guest rooms and guest suites that are provided with permanent provisions for cooking shall have branch circuits and outlets installed to meet the rules for dwelling units.
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:)

[ November 16, 2005, 03:50 PM: Message edited by: jwelectric ]
 
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You already know this, Bob, but I'll play along. :D :D
Originally posted by bthielen: My bedroom doesn't have provisions for cooking . . . yet I am required to have afci protection.
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But you home does, so your home is a "dwelling unit."
 
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There are many new suite type hotels opening that boast full kitchens ,Having not been in one of the newer ones do they in fact have a full kitchen.
Also what constitutes a kitchen ? to me if there is refridgeration,a sink,a means to prepare food in some way shape or form that constitutes a kitchen.Maybe in the most primitive form but if it walks like,sounds like,smells like a duck it is in fact a duck
So does 210.18 come into play :eek:
 
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Originally posted by iwire: If its bolted down it's 'permanent' to me.
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But the one mounted under the cabinet is "bolted up," not "bolted down." Does that count? :roll:
 
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Originally posted by charlie b:
But the one mounted under the cabinet is "bolted up," not "bolted down."
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:D

Charlie I really enjoy that along with all the serious matters you can help us all with you still have a sense of humor.

To many time IMO the knowledgeable do not know how to joke around.

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You will have to pretend 'Mark' is in the mug.
 
Re: Arc Fault Breakers in a Motel?

Originally posted by jwelectric:B

210.18 Guest Rooms and Guest Suites.
Guest rooms and guest suites that are provided with permanent provisions for cooking shall have branch circuits and outlets installed to meet the rules for dwelling units.
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:) [/QB]
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would you consider a motel with a resturant in the same building as permanent provisions for cooking?
 
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Originally posted by marinesgt0411:
Originally posted by jwelectric:B

210.18 Guest Rooms and Guest Suites.
Guest rooms and guest suites that are provided with permanent provisions for cooking shall have branch circuits and outlets installed to meet the rules for dwelling units.
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:)
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would you consider a motel with a resturant in the same building as permanent provisions for cooking? [/QB]
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Yes if that kitchen is part of Guest rooms and guest suites. Read the section that I posted.
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Originally posted by marinesgt0411: would you consider a motel with a restaurant in the same building as permanent provisions for cooking?
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Certainly. So if there are sleeping quarters in the restaurant, then the receptacles in that area must have AFCI protection. :D
 
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