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it is an accepted proposal to the 2008 NEC. If it continues to be accepted through the comment stage, then it will be code in 2008.
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It was accepted on a 8 to 4 vote. The NFPA rules require a 2/3s majority to pass, so if one of the 8 changes their vote the proposal will be rejected.
Don
 
Larry,
You send in a comment. They must be at the NFPA by 5pm October 20, 2006. You can find the information that you need to submit a comment here.
Don
 
don_resqcapt19 said:
It was accepted on a 8 to 4 vote. The NFPA rules require a 2/3s majority to pass, so if one of the 8 changes their vote the proposal will be rejected.
Don
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As in, changes their mind and acts differently in the Comment stage, or can they literally change their ROP vote?

Not being smart, just being sure. :)
 
George,
There is a new vote on each comment. The panel members often change their position between the ROP and the ROC. There have been some where 100% of the panel voted for or against the proposal in the ROP and all of them voted the opposite in the ROC. Even the ROC is not the final action as the changes must be accepted at the May NFPA membership meeting and they after that there can be changes by the Standards Council.
The elimination of the "3 story rule" for NM was by the Standards Council. The CMP voted to retain the rule in both the ROP and ROC. The membership also voted to retain the rule at the May meeting. The Standards Council over road everyone and deleted the "3 story rule".
Don
 
Us in NY are still following the 1999 NEC, so Arc Fault breakers do not come into play, yet.. Come to find out as of January 1 2007, NY will be adopting a New version of the state building code thus adopting the 2005 NEC.

I guess its time to start learning all the things everyone else has been doing for the last few years.

Roger M.
 
Roger, under the 99 NEC you are required to AFCI protect all receptacle outlets in the bedrooms. Read the last sentence of 210.12 in your 99 code book. Many people misinterpret it to mean the 2002 code cycle.

Roger
 
Really ? because Tuesday this week we had our city inspector and he was talking, he was the one that let us know , about the changes and stuff. This guy is damn smart, he knows the codes. He said its not required, maybe his interpretation, is different., This guy is pretty rigid, he don't cut corners.
 
RAM460 said:
Really ? because Tuesday this week we had our city inspector and he was talking, he was the one that let us know , about the changes and stuff. This guy is damn smart, he knows the codes. He said its not required, maybe his interpretation, is different., This guy is pretty rigid, he don't cut corners.
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It may be a local amendment but Roger is correct as far as the NEC is concerned.
 
In NY, we REFERENCE the 99 NEC as a Standard. For dwellings with a service of up to 400 amps, we are using the Residential Code of New York. The Resi code is where we see that AFCIs are not required for one and two family dwellings. In NY we are required to install AFCIs for 3 family and up.

BTW: For other than 1 & 2 family dwellings, NY does follow the NEC in its entirety.
 
Roger, see Pierre's post.

Sorry to break your heart about this "damn smart" inspector. Maybe you should sit down with this "damn smart" inspector and read the damn section together. :D:D:rolleyes:

Roger
 
Pierre C Belarge said:
In NY, we REFERENCE the 99 NEC as a Standard. For dwellings with a service of up to 400 amps, we are using the Residential Code of New York.
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Pierre's right -- believe it or not, NYS never officially adopted 1999.

Municipalities can and do occasionally adopt NEC. Some cities in NYS have been so boldly progressive as to actually codify 2002. :)

It must have taken some lobbying effort to get them to embrace a new building code so soon. The current RBC only came out in 2002, I figured they'd get a decade out of that one before they found enough energy to actually vote on changing it. ;)
 
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