Arc fault GFI combo Breakers

[knot stable]

If we are using combo (arc & gfci) breakers. Is there any need to use GFCI recept. on that circuit if one is required? ex. outdoors
Sometimes I think to much and it hurts.:grin:

 

[iwire]

Is it really a GFCI / AFCI breaker or is it just an AFCI combination breaker?

 

[knot stable]

It's marked on the breaker AFCI/GFCI combo. That tells me it's good for both.

 

[Hendrix]

It's marked on the breaker AFCI/GFCI combo. That tells me it's good for both.

What make ? I've never seen one.:-?

 

[mcclary's electrical]

What make ? I've never seen one.:-?

ANd if it's real, it would have to be marked, AFCI/GFCI combo combination device

 

[electricmanscott]

Cutler hammer made AFCI/GFCI breakers in at least the BR series but I am pretty sure they were not AFCI combo units.

 

[ty]

Cutler hammer made AFCI/GFCI breakers in at least the BR series but I am pretty sure they were not AFCI combo units.

They made them in CH as well. this was before the AFCI combination rating.

 

[ty]

oh, and I still have some.
Want one?

 

[mcclary's electrical]

oh, and I still have some.
Want one?

They're useless

 

[jimport]

Does this breaker provide the Class A 4-6mA or the Class B 30 mA protection? You need the Class A protection for the general use receptacles.

 

[ty]

They're useless

well, that would depend on what code cycle you're on.

For me, they're useless.

Want one?

 

[ty]

Does this breaker provide the Class A 4-6mA or the Class B 30 mA protection? You need the Class A protection for the general use receptacles.

The CH AFCI/GFCI was rated at 4-6mA

 

[mcclary's electrical]

well, that would depend on what code cycle you're on.

For me, they're useless.

Want one?

Even if your still on 05' the date of Jan 1 08' still stands

 

[Dave58er]

So back to the original question..........

 

[raider1]

So back to the original question..........

It would work for GFCI protection but most likely could not be used for AFCI protection due to it's lack of being a combination type AFCI breaker which is required to be used by the 2005 as well as the 2008 NEC.

Chris

 

[knot stable]

Well I installed Murray type that are marked AFCI/GFCI Combination type breaker. They have a yellow indicator that lights up when the breaker trips.

 

[ty]

Even if your still on 05' the date of Jan 1 08' still stands

True.
But there are some places that I've heard of that are still on Code cycles from the '90's. and some that don't even adopt the NEC at all.

So, maybe someone can use them.
Maybe Larry could use one in his museum

 

[electricmanscott]

Well I installed Murray type that are marked AFCI/GFCI Combination type breaker. They have a yellow indicator that lights up when the breaker trips.

I just spent some time searching. I don't think this exists.

Did it actually say AFCI/GFCI?

 

[mxslick]

well, that would depend on what code cycle you're on.

For me, they're useless.

Want one?

I'll take one.

It'll be fun to torture it and see how it stands up.

 

[curt swartz]

Well I installed Murray type that are marked AFCI/GFCI Combination type breaker. They have a yellow indicator that lights up when the breaker trips.

There is no such thing as a combination AFCI with GFCI protection. On Siemens/Murray Combo AFCI's there are indicators lights to show what caused the breaker to trip, Arc Fault or Ground Fault. The ground fault protection is in the 30-50ma range and is not Class A (GFCI) protection. You need to add a GFCI device to this circuit.