If NEC with no amendments is your standard you must follow - there is no legal way around it.Ok so I have had it with these stupid breakers....... Where is the loop hole?? so I don't have to do : frig, micro, dish, dispos and hood? I lost a multi unit project to a guy whos says there is a way around it...... when I asked how.... he laughed at me
Ok so I have had it with these stupid breakers....... Where is the loop hole?? so I don't have to do : frig, micro, dish, dispos and hood? I lost a multi unit project to a guy whos says there is a way around it...... when I asked how.... he laughed at me
You can also get buddies with the supply house to see if they are selling them to this guy. If there is a panel breaker package with no AFCI then there is something wrong.
Ok so I have had it with these stupid breakers....... Where is the loop hole?? so I don't have to do : frig, micro, dish, dispos and hood? I lost a multi unit project to a guy whos says there is a way around it...... when I asked how.... he laughed at me
So it passes final. Now we just need to nail him for doing work without a permit or something along those lines when he comes back to pull the AFCI's:happyyes:Maybe he's filling the panels with arc faults that he pulls out after final.
True, but I think he meant cost of breakers made his bid higher than competitor that's not using as many.Multi unit project would mean an inspection by someone. Ask them.
AFCI can be a PIA, but a minor one. If you are having a high rate of troubles change your methods and or product line.
True, but I think he meant cost of breakers made his bid higher than competitor that's not using as many.
Maybe he's filling the panels with arc faults that he pulls out after final.
Multi unit project would mean an inspection by someone. Ask them.
AFCI can be a PIA, but a minor one. If you are having a high rate of troubles change your methods and or product line.
Sounds like a situation you need to address with the local AHJ, or even take to State level AHJ if one exists. Usually locals still need to follow any state guidelines.Assuming the inspector is doing his job.
One of local jurisdictions has hired inspectors that do not know what they need to check when it comes to electrical. That pisses me off because I know the hack installer gets away with bad installation and a passed inspection.
Sounds like a situation you need to address with the local AHJ, or even take to State level AHJ if one exists. Usually locals still need to follow any state guidelines.
You need to get together with a group of other electricians and as an organization get on their case for some uniformity. Getting other trades or even insurance industry to join in on the effort wouldn't hurt either. Any reputable contractors should be willing to do this, the hacks are the ones that don't care and the more they don't need to know or comply with the happier those individuals are.I have done that with local AHJ but I am not sure where it has gone. I don't get the same inspector every time.
Under the right circumstances (mainly wiring type from panel to receptacle) an AFCI receptacle can be considered to protect the entire circuit, including downstream outlets.Since AFCIs are required to protect the branch circuits supplying outlets; why do they now have AFCI receptacles?
Since AFCIs are required to protect the branch circuits supplying outlets; why do they now have AFCI receptacles?
That was the general rule early in the existence of AFCI's and still is kind of the general rule for new circuits. Put it this way - the rules get more complicated if you don't protect the entire circuit with a combination type AFCI at the origin of the branch circuit - but you do have some other options. Read 210.12 carefully and determine what applies to your situation.Since AFCIs are required to protect the branch circuits supplying outlets; why do they now have AFCI receptacles?