Arc flash study

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ggunn

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An AHJ I am dealing with is starting to require an arc flash study for commercial PV installations. I don't know much about them, and a cursory on line search hasn't revealed much. Is an arc flash study something I can learn to do myself, or will my client have to hire it out elsewhere? Does it require special test gear?
 
An AHJ I am dealing with is starting to require an arc flash study for commercial PV installations. I don't know much about them, and a cursory on line search hasn't revealed much. Is an arc flash study something I can learn to do myself, or will my client have to hire it out elsewhere? Does it require special test gear?
It may be possible to do on a small installation such as a PV system, but I'm not really sure. All of the arc flash studies I've had anything to do with were in large plants, with lots of transformers, miles and miles of wire, and thousands of breakers. The task seems daunting. I can't imagine one person doing it. I do know they all used some kind of software. Some of the plants were older and all the prints only existed on paper, so I'm sure that added to the task
 
I won't name the AHJ, but knowing them the way I do, I'll just say that it's possible that they have no idea what they are asking for.

Can an arc flash study be done for a single point in an electrical system, such as a PV AC disconnect or a panel where the outputs of multiple inverters are collected?
 
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I won't name the AHJ, but knowing them the way I do, I'll just say that it's possible that they have no idea what they are asking for.

Can an arc flash study be done for a single point in an electrical system, such as a PV AC disconnect or a panel where the outputs of multiple inverters are collected?
I've seen additions built, and I think a new facility wide arc flash study didn't have to be done.

This software has a demo

 
There is nothing in the code that requires an arc flash study to be done.

110.16 requires an arc-flash hazard warning be placed at electrical equipment such as panelboards and switchboards, but it is a generic hazard warning sticker, not a calculation or analysis.

110.24 requires available fault current to be marked, but not arc flash calculations.
 
I won't name the AHJ, but knowing them the way I do, I'll just say that it's possible that they have no idea what they are asking for.

Can an arc flash study be done for a single point in an electrical system, such as a PV AC disconnect or a panel where the outputs of multiple inverters are collected?
Yes you can calculate an arc flash value at a single point. However, you likely need information from several different source to be able to do it.
On what source do you need the study done? When fed only by the utility, when fed by the inverters, or when fed from both sources? Different results each time.

There is no industry wide accepted procedure for performing arc flash studies on single phase 120/240V systems, so what will the AHJ even accept.
 
Yes you can calculate an arc flash value at a single point. However, you likely need information from several different source to be able to do it.
On what source do you need the study done? When fed only by the utility, when fed by the inverters, or when fed from both sources? Different results each time.

There is no industry wide accepted procedure for performing arc flash studies on single phase 120/240V systems, so what will the AHJ even accept.
From both sources, I would assume, and it's 480/277V 3P4W.
 
From both sources, I would assume, and it's 480/277V 3P4W.
Yes it can be done, why is a different question. It is not required by the NEC.
What is the short circuit output on the utility side of the PV inverter? Maybe 110% of full load?
 
Yes it can be done, why is a different question. It is not required by the NEC.
What is the short circuit output on the utility side of the PV inverter? Maybe 110% of full load?
I have documentation for the inverters we use, but yeah, it's something like that.
 
I have documentation for the inverters we use, but yeah, it's something like that.
With that little amount being supplied by the PV it is likely the arc flash energy would not change from when they are on the utility alone.

I would push back against the requester.
 
We do a lot of these and use SKM or Etap, but we are working with larger systems. You can do an AF study with simpler AF-only software. It could be done by hand but is a tedious process. To do an AF study you need to first do a short circuit study and that result with the trip characteristics of the OCPD will be used for the AF study.

The AF is almost completely dependent on the utility contribution. Typically, the inverter contribution is very small in comparison to the utility and adding a PV system to an existing electrical system is unlikely to change the AF results in a significant way.

In the 2023 NEC 110.16 was changed to require AF labels on specific equipment that “… shall be in accordance with applicable industry practice and include the date the label was applied.” This is almost certainly going to be interpreted by AHJs to mean the detailed AF labels and not the general ones.
 
An AHJ I am dealing with is starting to require an arc flash study for commercial PV installations. I don't know much about them, and a cursory on line search hasn't revealed much. Is an arc flash study something I can learn to do myself, or will my client have to hire it out elsewhere? Does it require special test gear?
There's software available BUSS and I believe Mike Holt has a calculator available.
 
We do a lot of these and use SKM or Etap, but we are working with larger systems. You can do an AF study with simpler AF-only software. It could be done by hand but is a tedious process. To do an AF study you need to first do a short circuit study and that result with the trip characteristics of the OCPD will be used for the AF study.

The AF is almost completely dependent on the utility contribution. Typically, the inverter contribution is very small in comparison to the utility and adding a PV system to an existing electrical system is unlikely to change the AF results in a significant way.

In the 2023 NEC 110.16 was changed to require AF labels on specific equipment that “… shall be in accordance with applicable industry practice and include the date the label was applied.” This is almost certainly going to be interpreted by AHJs to mean the detailed AF labels and not the general ones.
That's interesting because 110.16 says the labels must meet the requirements of 110.21(B) which is Field-Applied labels, yet 110.16 says the labels can be field or factory applied. So yes, I could see this going both ways. I'm looking for field-applied to be the standard because I do arc flash calcs, but this could be interpreted either way!
 
... I do arc flash calcs, but this could be interpreted either way!
How do you perform those calculations, and do you do them for every commercial PV installation? Do you generate those numbers for the entire electrical system or just for the PV installation?
 
All this arc flash 70e stuff is enough to make you nuts. Not that it's not a hazard. My problem with it is the way it is being implemented in plants. It seems like as long as they can produce paperwork to CYA legally all is good. Safety department guys don't know a volt from an amp and I doubt they ever used a screwdriver on anything that didn't come from Ikea.

Maintenance people are very poorly trained. I've seen training courses where it was all about how to complete the forms correctly and not one piece of arc flash gear present in the classroom. Not to mention arc flash gear is not readily available in the plants. It's always in a locked supervisor's closet or somewhere 1/4 mile away, and when you get there something is missing
 
That's interesting because 110.16 says the labels must meet the requirements of 110.21(B) which is Field-Applied labels, yet 110.16 says the labels can be field or factory applied. So yes, I could see this going both ways. I'm looking for field-applied to be the standard because I do arc flash calcs, but this could be interpreted either way!
Factory applied AF labels are possible if the AF study is supplied to the manufacturer who will be building the equipment, but I doubt this will be common. Much easier to field apply. The NEC is just providing options, even if unlikely to be used.
 
How do you perform those calculations, and do you do them for every commercial PV installation? Do you generate those numbers for the entire electrical system or just for the PV installation?
I can say we are doing an AF study on just about every PV and ESS project. AHJs are requiring it and a good number of clients who did not order an AF study in the initial proposal end up adding it as a change order later. We just do AF for the new equipment and we will add in any existing equipment that is part of the path back to the utility. So an existing service SWBD where we do the interconnection will be part of the study. We do not put any other existing equipment in, doing an AF study for an existing facility is not part of our services. If the client wants that we recommend they retain a firm that specializes in AF studies. Since AF studies are supposed to be renewed every 5 years they can just make it part of their 5 year maintenance program.
 
I can say we are doing an AF study on just about every PV and ESS project. AHJs are requiring it and a good number of clients who did not order an AF study in the initial proposal end up adding it as a change order later. We just do AF for the new equipment and we will add in any existing equipment that is part of the path back to the utility. So an existing service SWBD where we do the interconnection will be part of the study. We do not put any other existing equipment in, doing an AF study for an existing facility is not part of our services. If the client wants that we recommend they retain a firm that specializes in AF studies. Since AF studies are supposed to be renewed every 5 years they can just make it part of their 5 year maintenance program.
Can you tell me how you would go about performing an AF study on, say, a 400kW AC PV system connected via a supply side interconnection on the line side lugs of a main service disconnect?
 
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