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Jim do they have general contractors down there? Shouldn't there be someone monitoring the progress of the job.
 
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Allan, Jim if excuses where dollars you could retire. :p

If the EC had verified the inspection had been made would they now be stuck battling with inspectors, GCs, getting engineers out to the jobs and installing extra AFCIs?

Sure the rockers should not put up the rock without knowing the inspection has been passed but should you bet money that they won't?

I also agree with Scott, where the heck was the GC?
 
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"Allan, Jim if excuses where dollars you could retire.

If the EC had verified the inspection had been made would they now be stuck battling with inspectors, GCs, getting engineers out to the jobs and installing extra AFCIs?

Sure the rockers should not put up the rock without knowing the inspection has been passed but should you bet money that they won't?

I also agree with Scott, where the heck was the GC? "

Bob ,you have it backwards.If the GC had varified the inspection had been made would they now be stuck battling with inspectors, ECs, getting engineers out to the jobs and installing extra AFCIs?
We do have general contractors here and some if not most have very poor supers working for them.We only contract to do there wiring not hold there hands all the way thru a job.The super tracts the jobs and should know what he passed or failed or has not been told we are finshed.
Now if you are a small shop turning out 1 house a week and only have 10 going at any 1 time then you might give this kind of extra service to the customer.But it's a gift and not owed or part of my job to schedule other subs.
Is it ready to insulate ? Well first we see if we have passed our AC,electric,plumbing,gas,Then and only then can we have our framing inspection.This is where the county messed up.There own rules say no framing inspection till trades passed.This may not be how you did it up north ,but your not in the north here.A good super would have caught this and it was 100% his job to do so.
 
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Jim 100% correct if the GC did their job this would not happen.We are right at 3,250 homes this year.That is almost 1/day rough to trim.Should we keep track of the inspections done on these homes at which they tell you what they will pay :mad:
 
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Originally posted by jimwalker:
Bob ,you have it backwards.If the GC had varified the inspection had been made would they now be stuck battling with inspectors, ECs, getting engineers out to the jobs and installing extra AFCIs?
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That would be a perfect world so in order to save yourself trouble you need to follow up.

Your right the GC should be keeping track...they did not.

The rockers should not have hung the rock....they did.

Who now is paying the price for this....the EC.

Had the EC kept track of this it would not have happened.

I just have a different outlook about personal responsibility, while some look for ways to point fingers after mistakes I try to keep mistakes from even happening.

When I fax a stock order to a supply house I will call shortly after to make sure it's being taken care even though it is supposed to be automatic.

[ December 07, 2005, 05:07 AM: Message edited by: iwire ]
 
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Bob, we do not live in a perfect world.Allen is not joking about the number of homes they turn out.The profit is far to low for them to hire extra help just to do the job that was never theres to do.As to who paid for this i will assume the GC paid.
Allen ,i think what you need to do is start carrying a gun and watch the houses 24-7 so they do not work before its ready.The super might very well have have his hands filled too with a large work load.But fact remains that part was his job.
I wonder how long Bob would last down here :D

[ December 07, 2005, 06:03 AM: Message edited by: jimwalker ]
 
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If this type of situation is a daily, weekly, monthly - to year deal and continues, then it becomes part of the "culture". Once it becomes part of the "culture", it becomes habit and part of the work routine. Don't complain about it if you are not willing to do something, just go about the work as you know it.

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This can be changed, but it means changing the "culture". Which means from "top to bottom" changes. That is an enormous task and would require time, money and EFFORT. I have learned that people do want to change the "culture" when it is no longer working, they will spend the money - the easiest part; they will begrudgingly spend the time;... when it comes to the EFFORT that may be involved, the whole idea takes a back burner and.......... the complaining continues.
 
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Jim if the only job I could get down here is a construction mgr. I`d be hard pressed to stay here.But again that depends on the builder.I saw one home nothing extra big 4,450 sq. ft that lost its permit 3 times till it was finished.This is from the largest builder in the usa (combined) it was 17 months from the rough in till we went to trim it out and that was held up because thr cabinet had to be cut to install the double oven.To lose your permit means there has not been an inspection pass or fail in a 6 moth period.You can fail and restart the clock.There must have been almost 20 different supers on the job by trim stage.My guys called me and asked if I could stop by to see something.
The entire subdivision got a lighted mail box per home.We had a stub out for it.The problem was this model sat in the back end of a cul de sac had a 3 car garage and our stub was sticking out of a finished lawn but there was 60 ft of driveway to get past.The trim crew dug under 3 side walks but there was 60 ft of drivway apron to get under.Had they called us there would have been a pvc sleve under the concrete,no call no sleeve simple logic.This was on a friday and the super said have a crew there mon morning to hook up and call the final it will be ready.
OK they left enough uf to reach 2 houses down :D we installed it the super lost his job over something that was 5 supers ago job :D
So who was at fault there ? the builder ,us who? Well we didn`t build the house or know when the concrete was to get poured.The best part is that there was 200 ft. of 3/4 pvc behind the construction trailer that was brought there to sleeve these long driveways.This from what is the largest builder in the United States :confused: I know I can`t mention the companies name but together they are the #1 largest builder in this country and this is how they operate?????
 
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Originally posted by iwire:
Your right the GC should be keeping track...they did not.
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Had the EC kept track of this it would not have happened.

I just have a different outlook about personal responsibility, while some look for ways to point fingers after mistakes I try to keep mistakes from even happening.
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If you're in a position to aquire that information in an efficient manner, Bob, then I applaud your attention to detail and contributing to the efficiency of the job as a whole.

The only method I have to knowing if a house has passed inspection is to either be present when it is signed off (which isn't much of an option in most cases where I am), or go back to the job and ask the GC for the permit.

The GC sets the permit and plans out for the inspector, and then retrieves them at the end of the day. In my neck of the woods, this is normal. (On most of my jobs, the GC pulls the permit and we're listed as the electrical subcontractor.) It's a one page document, and initials are easy to spot on his return to his vehicle. The GC alerts me immediately if something has gone wrong. I take his call, complete the work, and call him to confirm the work is complete, and apologize for the delay.

To claim someone is remiss for not going as far out of their way as you do, isn't entirely right, IMO. In my world, it's all but impracticable and very impractical to do things as you have suggested. :)

When I fax a stock order to a supply house I will call shortly after to make sure it's being taken care even though it is supposed to be automatic.
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When the occasion calls for it, they'll even get a typed list from me. But I am always responsible for ensuring the parts the job requires are on hand. :)
 
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Originally posted by georgestolz:
If you're in a position to aquire that information in an efficient manner, Bob, then I applaud your attention to detail and contributing to the efficiency of the job as a whole.
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Your right George I am super human. :)
 
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Bob, another thing that is supposed to happen here is no buiding inspections are signed off untill the mechanical systems are signed. This assures that the walls will not be covered since the GC is waiting for his own inspection.
 
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Originally posted by iwire:

Maybe I just have high expectations but I also just received the Company's "Outstanding Performance" award. :D

So what color Cadillac did you get?
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I am with you guys, I am a super in south florida and it is the supers responsibility to check inspections and coordinate work. The super screwed up, the builder, I am sure, knows it but they will do anything to point the finger at someone else. The pace is too fast to follow up on every inspection. The super follows up with trades and lets them know what the failure is for and cordinates his scheduling accordingly, the builder is the one responsible hands down.
 
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Here the you have to be an electrical contractor to purchase permits. The GC cannot do this. We are responsible to call in for inspections. If walls are covered or ditches backfilled, someone will be opening it back up for the inspector to see. They have made this very clear after a situation where several inspectors (across the board, mech, elect, framing, plumb, etc.) completely botched many school jobs some 10 years ago.
 
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I wish we could be the only ones that can even call and inspection.The way it is set up as long as we have a passcode we can call any inspections on any job we like :roll: Pretty lame set up but that`s what it is.Going back to who is at fault in that senario I still stick with the Gc.If it was our fault I would own up but Here I won`t budge the GC calls he screwed up and so did the county but they never say it`s thier fault it`s the system and by the time the argument is solved the home is being sold again.
 
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