Are These Wall Packs Good or Junk?

Joethemechanic

Joethemechanic

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I already ordered them so I guess I'll find out

They are going inside on the wall under the garage door tracks. When you open the doors everything under them is in a big dark shadow now.
 
Just wondering. Not sure where they are made, but the company is in Hong Kong

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I figured I'd start small before I went all out

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410.6 Listing Required. All luminaires, lampholders, and retrofit kits shall be listed.

99% of counterfeit UL labels originate from China.

Best practice keeps domestic suppliers liable for listing violations that void property insurance.
 
ramsy said:
99% of counterfeit UL labels originate from China.
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I've seen so much in the way of counterfeit materials and parts lately I'm really not trusting any of it. Supposedly even a large percentage of grade 8 bolts are counterfeit and really grade 5 or worse

You should see the auto and truck parts market. Totally flooded with counterfeit parts. Trusted brand names on the boxes, you need to have a real box and a counterfeit side by side to pick up on the subtle differences
 
Ok so my Chinese Hudbel wall packs came today, they are nice and bright and the UL # checks out

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But what box are they supposed to be mounted on? Nothing lines up with the factory knock out screw holes. A 1900 will cover the rectanglar hole where the wires come out, , but I'm drilling 2 new holes to make that happen. Maybe I should have ordered those Chinese Stiel Cidy boxes too
 
Joethemechanic said:
Ok so my Chinese Hudbel wall packs came today, they are nice and bright and the UL # checks out

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But what box are they supposed to be mounted on? Nothing lines up with the factory knock out screw holes. A 1900 will cover the rectanglar hole where the wires come out, , but I'm drilling 2 new holes to make that happen. Maybe I should have ordered those Chinese Stiel Cidy boxes too
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Well... even a sharpened butter knife will be sharp the first time you use and give you that out of the box experience.
 
We had a very reputable electrical contractor install over a hundred mid priced cheating china LED luminaries during remodelling office spaces. Less then a year later lens cracked ,drivers failed and a few other problems. When they turned to the supply house for warranty replacements they said sorry that company went out of business and no replacement parts are available. They had to go into one of the rooms to remove those luminaries to replace others then install a made in USA LED in that room. I go way out of my way to not purchase any safety & test equipment & electrical items from lack of caring & quality control nogoodnic communist china. Just had a problem with some hex headed self drilling cheating Chinese screws. One out if every 3 or 4 that I drove in slipped on two different drivers. Dusted off my micrometer and measured the hex heads on the ones that were slipping and they were slightly undersized. Then measured some that I had that were made in USA. They all.measured the same.
 
garbo said:
We had a very reputable electrical contractor install over a hundred mid priced cheating china LED luminaries during remodelling office spaces. Less then a year later lens cracked ,drivers failed and a few other problems. When they turned to the supply house for warranty replacements they said sorry that company went out of business and no replacement parts are available. They had to go into one of the rooms to remove those luminaries to replace others then install a made in USA LED in that room. I go way out of my way to not purchase any safety & test equipment & electrical items from lack of caring & quality control nogoodnic communist china. Just had a problem with some hex headed self drilling cheating Chinese screws. One out if every 3 or 4 that I drove in slipped on two different drivers. Dusted off my micrometer and measured the hex heads on the ones that were slipping and they were slightly undersized. Then measured some that I had that were made in USA. They all.measured the same.
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Yeah, I was watching a YouTube video on how everyone’s amazed on how fast they build stuff but then the crap falls apart in like 1015 years. The quality of their products is just garbage. Now that’s a broad brush. There are some good quality crap but on norm they’re garbage
 
garbo said:
We had a very reputable electrical contractor install over a hundred mid priced cheating china LED luminaries during remodelling office spaces. Less then a year later lens cracked ,drivers failed and a few other problems. When they turned to the supply house for warranty replacements they said sorry that company went out of business and no replacement parts are available. They had to go into one of the rooms to remove those luminaries to replace others then install a made in USA LED in that room. I go way out of my way to not purchase any safety & test equipment & electrical items from lack of caring & quality control nogoodnic communist china. Just had a problem with some hex headed self drilling cheating Chinese screws. One out if every 3 or 4 that I drove in slipped on two different drivers. Dusted off my micrometer and measured the hex heads on the ones that were slipping and they were slightly undersized. Then measured some that I had that were made in USA. They all.measured the same.
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I really doubt there's LED elements or LED ballasts produced in commercial quantity in the US. At best, they're "assembled in the US" meaning that LED elements, housing, and LED ballasts produced in China are assembled into a product in a factory in US for sales and marketing purpose.

Perhaps the housing is casted in the US.
 
Joethemechanic said:
So far no answer to my questions from the supplier

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Sorry I'm late to the party, I don't know about that brand, but I will occasionally buy the Cinoton brand off Amazon they have a light that's similar to that and it's a bad ass little light. And stupid cheap. If you look at it and think what it physically takes to make it, it boggles the mind how they can do it so cheap. As for the UL listing, the Cinoton lights have an Intertek listing number, I called right to Intertek because I thought for sure they weren't legit, they were legit. I've installed 56 of them now, only replaced maybe 2 of them in 6 years.

 
herding_cats said:
The best quality LED lights come from Orion Lighting in Wisconsin. USA built. Everything else is Chinese.
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I took a quick look at them, I might try them out. But not all their lighting is USA built, only some of it is BAA compliant, none of the outdoor lighting is.
 
It's the most TAA compliant LEDs I have ever found. I've worked hundreds of DoD and AF projects and they understand that not everything can be 100% USA sourced. You think Honeywell is printing circuit boards in the USA ? No
 
herding_cats said:
It's the most TAA compliant LEDs I have ever found. I've worked hundreds of DoD and AF projects and they understand that not everything can be 100% USA sourced. You think Honeywell is printing circuit boards in the USA ? No
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I will give them a try, I don't mind spending a little more to have it US made, or support a company that's trying to manufacture here. Not sure where you came up with Honeywell though....
 
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Sorry I'm late to the party, I don't know about that brand, but I will occasionally buy the Cinoton brand off Amazon they have a light that's similar to that and it's a bad ass little light. And stupid cheap. If you look at it and think what it physically takes to make it, it boggles the mind how they can do it so cheap. As for the UL listing, the Cinoton lights have an Intertek listing number, I called right to Intertek because I thought for sure they weren't legit, they were legit. I've installed 56 of them now, only replaced maybe 2 of them in 6 years.

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Yeah, JC LGL never got back to me at all. No customer service
 
Its not that long ago that listing was not required in 410 for lighting.
I have more faith in an electricians judgement of a light fixture than some 'listing agency partner' thats really a empty office cube in the factory where the lights are made, or worse a fake label.
I personalty think electricians should be able to fabricate, field assemble or modify a fixture out of recognized parts following the construction specifications in the code.
I do think listing is important for other stuff like wire insulation and breakers.
 
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