Article 90

Article 90

  • Yes

    Votes: 8 42.1%

  • No

    Votes: 11 57.9%
  • Total voters
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480sparky said:
Any of it.
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And I am asking how would it be done? :smile:

How could I be red tagged for 90.1(B)?

How can I violate the Adequacy of the NEC?

90.3 ... What can I do on the job to violate the code arraignment?
 
480sparky said:
Poll question:

Is Article 90 an enforceable part of the Code? Or is it just, and it's title says, an "Introduction"?
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Read the article closely and tell us which section is a directive.

The article and it's sections are only informative and sometimes permissive statements, it is simply an introduction to the the NEC.


Roger
 
iwire said:
And I am asking how would it be done? :smile:

How could I be red tagged for 90.1(B)?

How can I violate the Adequacy of the NEC?

90.3 ... What can I do on the job to violate the code arraignment?
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I'm not asked about being able to violate any of the sections. I'm asking if Article 90 is part of enforcing the code. I hope this makes sense.
 
I see 90.9(A)&(B) as strictly informational only.

I see 90.9(C) as an allowance, not a directive. I can use soft conversion but I do not have to.
 
iwire said:
I see 90.9(A)&(B) as strictly informational only.

I see 90.9(C) as an allowance, not a directive. I can use soft conversion but I do not have to.
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I have a question. Isn't the word "shall" a
obligatory requirement? It seems they mention the word "shall" often in 90.9.

 
480sparky said:
Poll question:

Is Article 90 an enforceable part of the Code? Or is it just, and it's title says, an "Introduction"?
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90.3 states "This code is divided into the introduction and nine chapters....."

This means that the Introduction is part of the code. 90.4 sets out mandatory applicabilty when adopted by a governmental entity. Because it is a part of the code, it is enforceable....it's just that the provisions are considerably different and not as readily, understandably enforceable. :smile:
 
wbalsam1 said:
90.3 states "This code is divided into the introduction and nine chapters....."

This means that the Introduction is part of the code. 90.4 sets out mandatory applicabilty when adopted by a governmental entity. Because it is a part of the code, it is enforceable....it's just that the provisions are considerably different and not as readily, understandably enforceable. :smile:
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Thats all well and good.

Has anyone here ever seen a red tag with 90... on it?
 
wbalsam1 said:
90.3 states "This code is divided into the introduction and nine chapters....."
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The pole does not ask if Article 90 is part of the code, IMO it is.

The pole asks..

Is Article 90 an enforceable part of the NEC
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IMO the answer to that is no, it is not enforceable or citable or red tagable. :)
 
iwire said:
The pole does not ask if Article 90 is part of the code, IMO it is.
The pole asks..
Is Article 90 an enforceable part of the NEC

IMO the answer to that is no, it is not enforceable or citable or red tagable. :)
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To anyone citing this code by reference, 90.9(B) mandates that SI units appear first and inch-pound units next.....That's enforceable....although I've never even been close to a real life experience relating to this and would be laughed out of the industry for red-tagging an author, etc.....:D

90.9 seems to be enforceable for design professionals (not as a design spec, but by laying out rules for units of measurement.) If a building/electrical plans examiner received plans that were at variance with 90.9, it seems he/she could actually cite the offense.
 
OK, maybe I didn't word the original poll correctly. I'm not asking if Art. 90 could be used to cite a violation, or provide a ted tag. I've been told on more than one occasion that Art. 90 is 'not part of the Code', and is an introduction only.

Let me try this.

Let's say some magic Genie pops out of a bottle and snaps his fingers..... Article 90 no longer exists. Would this have an impact on enforcing the rest of the Codebook?

In other words, if Art. 90 isn't 'part of the code' (just like annexes aren't), would that make a difference in enforcement and interpretations of the rest of the Articles?
 
480sparky said:
Let me try this.

Let's say some magic Genie pops out of a bottle and snaps his fingers..... Article 90 no longer exists. Would this have an impact on enforcing the rest of the Codebook?
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It sure would...without 90.3 you don't know that Chapter 8 is stand alone, that is the other chapters don't apply and you would not know that Chapters 5, 6 and 7 modify Chapters 1 through 4. You also would not know what types of installations are coved by the NEC and what are not. The code would be almost unusable without Article 90.
 
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