As Built Electrical Proposal

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Hello,
I was recently given a set of prints to look over and bid a job. The Contractor told me to look them over and give a detailed as built proposal. Has anyone ever come across something like this and has a template to follow while sending a proposal?
 
It all depends onwhat they want you to do, and the degree to which they expect you to takeresponsibility for the accuracy of the final as-built drawings. For example, let’s say the plans show anoffice on floor one, with receptacles on all four walls, two overhead 2x4lights, and a manual/occupancy sensor switch at the doorway. It would be one thing if all they want you todo is walk inside that room and verify that all six of these items arepresent. It would be another thing ifthey want you to test for proper wiring on the receptacles (i.e., groundpresent and not tied to the neutral), to test for proper operation of thelights and the switches, and to verify the circuits feeding these items matchesthe circuits shown on the prints. Also,what are you supposed to do if the items don’t match the prints? Finally, what risk are you undertaking ifthere is something in the existing prints that is not accurate, and you fail todiscover the error during your site visits?
 
charlie b said:
It all depends onwhat they want you to do, and the degree to which they expect you to takeresponsibility for the accuracy of the final as-built drawings. For example, let’s say the plans show anoffice on floor one, with receptacles on all four walls, two overhead 2x4lights, and a manual/occupancy sensor switch at the doorway. It would be one thing if all they want you todo is walk inside that room and verify that all six of these items arepresent. It would be another thing ifthey want you to test for proper wiring on the receptacles (i.e., groundpresent and not tied to the neutral), to test for proper operation of thelights and the switches, and to verify the circuits feeding these items matchesthe circuits shown on the prints. Also,what are you supposed to do if the items don’t match the prints? Finally, what risk are you undertaking ifthere is something in the existing prints that is not accurate, and you fail todiscover the error during your site visits?
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charlie there is nothing on the prints, they just want the house wired to code.
 
Sparky9876 said:
charlie there is nothing on the prints, they just want the house wired to code.
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Okay, I am confused. Charlie gave what many of us call as built.

As built prints are what is drawn up after a job is done and there were deviations from the original plans. They are not really bid docs, they are what was done prints/documents.

Charlie, and I as well, was assuming you were being hired to go through a finished job and provide evidence, info, details of any changes from what was planned but was actually built.

These new drawings are called “as builts”.
 
I think you need to ask the contractor what an "as built proposal" means to him. I suspect he is asking you to design the job so that his laborers can follow your drawings and do most of it.

-Hal
 
Sparky9876 said:
charlie there is nothing on the prints, they just want the house wired to code.
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back before the housing bust i had this 'resi questionnaire' i'd send those sorts>>>



COMPREHENSIVE MASTER LIST
Service Kitchen Devicing & Trim
100amp UG/OH____ counter lenth(s)___ normal ivory or white__
150amp UG/OH_____ penensula________ decora___________
200amp UG/OH____ island___________ dimmers # of_____
simple meter________ trash comp______ fan controls______
meter/main________ dish___________ automation______
temp service_______ disposal________ plastic iv or wh plates___
power co_________ micro___________ Low Voltage
WR #____________ vent hood________ # thermostat runs_____
pole #____ ft away___ electric range______ # phone runs_________
Panel fixed refer_________ # cable coax runs_____
# circuits_______ other fixed appliances___cable or dish server___
m.l.o._________ Garage Y____N___ interface location_____
w/main________ attached_________ CAT5PAR4 & RJ6____
location________ detached_________ #Speaker runs_______
metal H20______ distance_________ Structered system________
grid ties________ door opener(s)____ Bathroom(s) #1, #2, #3 #4...
# subpanels____ subpanel____________ fans________
# outbuildings___ power required________ fan/lights____
Furnace Basement fan/light/heat___
# circ's_______ full______ fan/light/heat/NL___
#zones_______ partial___ shower recessed___
#z-valves______ crawl____ other needs_______
type controller_____ Construction Size
Hot H20_____ normal stick built______ sq feet_____
Air cond_______ stress skin___________ # of bedrooms____
hvac__________ log__________________
Special needs Generator Interface Y___N___ Other
chime kit___ whole house________________ Well pump____
alt power interface- dedicated subpanel__________ Septic pump____
surge supp TVSS_ dedicated circuitry___________ Electric Dryer____
dedicated ph lines__ # of dedicated circ's__________
low-v lighting_______ maunual transfere____________
burgler alarm_______ automated transfere__________
dialer system_______ KVA_______________________
central vac_________
whole house fan__
line v smokes_______
hvac_______________

~RJ~
 
Yeah well, few of the GC's would actually go back to their prospects with it anyways

Literacy isn't a prerequisite in their profession

and so the whole as built deal really sugars off to an apples / oranges arena

Factor in there were 3-4 GC's bidding with maybe 3X's that EC's post bust, now that's all X10

IE~ One can no longer be honest in the shark pool.......you'll be eaten first.....

SooOOOooo, i'll bid and delta cad to code minimum

That's what these smiley toothed creatures want anyways

You fellas that've been at it know the drill.

~RJ~
 
romex jockey said:
that copy pasted badly.......:( ~RJ~
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	                           COMPREHENSIVE MASTER LIST
Service		Kitchen		Devicing & Trim
100amp UG/OH____	counter lenth(s)___	normal ivory or white__
150amp UG/OH_____	penensula________	decora___________
200amp UG/OH____	island___________	dimmers # of_____
simple meter________	trash comp______	fan controls______
meter/main________	dish___________	automation______
temp service_______	disposal________	plastic iv or wh plates___
power co_________	micro___________	Low Voltage
WR #____________	vent hood________	# thermostat runs_____
pole #____    ft away___	electric range______	# phone runs_________
Panel			fixed refer_________	# cable coax runs_____
# circuits_______	other fixed appliances___cable or dish server___
m.l.o._________	Garage Y____N___	interface location_____
w/main________	attached_________	CAT5PAR4 & RJ6____
location________	detached_________	#Speaker runs_______
metal H20______	distance_________	Structered system________
grid ties________	door opener(s)____	Bathroom(s)    #1, #2, #3 #4...			
# subpanels____	subpanel____________	fans________
# outbuildings___	power required________	fan/lights____
Furnace			Basement	fan/light/heat___
# circ's_______		full______		fan/light/heat/NL___
#zones_______		partial___		shower recessed___
#z-valves______		crawl____		other needs_______
type controller_____	Construction		Size						
Hot H20_____		normal stick built______	sq feet_____
Air cond_______	stress skin___________	# of bedrooms____
hvac__________	log__________________
Special needs		Generator Interface Y___N___	Other	
chime kit___		whole house________________	Well pump____			
alt power interface-	dedicated subpanel__________	Septic pump____				
surge supp TVSS_	dedicated circuitry___________	Electric Dryer____				
dedicated ph lines__	# of dedicated circ's__________											
low-v lighting_______	maunual transfere____________					
burgler alarm_______	automated transfere__________
dialer system_______	KVA_______________________
central vac_________
whole house fan__
line v smokes_______
hvac_______________	

~RJ~

It is sometimes better if you paste it inside CODE tags (hash mark format button.) You may have to do some manual edits to tweak after.
 
Thank you Gold One

I'm up on very basic UBB, or whatever it is code

There's probably a way to do it in this forum, it's probably right in front of me, and i'll probably have one h*ll of a learn curve when it's pointed out to me

~RJ~
 
romex jockey said:
Thank you Gold One

I'm up on very basic UBB, or whatever it is code

There's probably a way to do it in this forum, it's probably right in front of me, and i'll probably have one h*ll of a learn curve when it's pointed out to me

~RJ~
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The problem is more pervasive than can be countered entirely with a simple tool or option.

1. The standard font (Arial ?) is a proportional font, so ASCII art and spacing-based tables do not reproduce properly.
2. Spaces, dashes, and underscores in particular end up being of a different width than the average letter.
3. HTML formatting, as pasted from some work processor programs, simply does not work, nor does rich text formatting.
4. Tabs are unreliable because of the spacing problem in 1 and 2. Even if there are tabs set at the desired columns, the "next" tab stop may not be where you expect it to be.
 
Sparky9876 said:
Hello,
I was recently given a set of prints to look over and bid a job. The Contractor told me to look them over and give a detailed as built proposal. Has anyone ever come across something like this and has a template to follow while sending a proposal?
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From what I've read here, they're asking for a design-build proposal. And you said this is a house? I've attached an example of how i price something like this (this is one i did at the end of December; I've stripped all of my info out of the file). I always make drawings for my guys to work off, but i won't provide them as part of a proposal.

See attached pdf as a reference.
 

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Sparky9876 said:
Hello,
I was recently given a set of prints to look over and bid a job. The Contractor told me to look them over and give a detailed as built proposal. Has anyone ever come across something like this and has a template to follow while sending a proposal?
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If he means "detailed" as in "show me the locations of the proposed devices on a marked up copy of the drawings", provide a lump sum proposal for a code minimum installation and an add/deduct schedule for switches, outlets, overhead lights, etc. NO drawings. When he asks you where the marked up drawings are, politely explain that you get paid for your design services and that will be a separate contract.
 
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