Audiophile cord manufacturers

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I'm into audio. Home hifi. There are a lot of serious manufacturing companies making power cords. Multi million $ businesses. Very few power cord products seem to have a listing or a label on them. How are these business getting away with openly manufacturing and selling these cords? Is there some sort of NEC loop hole for cord attachment equipment for audio and video?
 
I second Don's question, what makes you think they are required to be listed?

Roger
 
Article 400 is not about factory assembled cord sets and even it did cover them what section requires listing?

Roger
 
I'm into audio. Home hifi.
Same here, for the past 50 years or so, now including video.

There are a lot of serious manufacturing companies making power cords. Multi million $ businesses.
What I've often referred to as The Emperor's New (fill in the blank).

Very few power cord products seem to have a listing or a label on them. How are these business getting away with openly manufacturing and selling these cords? Is there some sort of NEC loop hole for cord attachment equipment for audio and video?
NEC, no. Look for NRTL requirements for power cords.
 
After miles of utility power transmission and distribution, typical residential services, and regular house wiring?

No. :cautious:
I have wired 8 or so audio systems now. A few in the $250,000 to $400,000 class. It had been a transformation change. The owners are very happy I assisted them.
 
Some people think so. They pay up to $8,000 to $12,000 for some. Most cost about $2,000.
I've seen a pair of 10m speaker cables for $ 15,000. That's where "The Emperor's New . . . " came from.

I think what happens is "they" fear not being able to justify saying it isn't important enough to buy.

"What does it say about me if I claim that I can not hear the difference?!" :eek:
 
I have wired 8 or so audio systems now. A few in the $250,000 to $400,000 class. It had been a transformation change. The owners are very happy I assisted them.
I just wish I could simplify the power delivery chain. Get rid of all the plugs and receptacles. They have a detrimental impact on sonics that is very apparent.
 
I have wired 8 or so audio systems now. A few in the $250,000 to $400,000 class. It had been a transformation change. The owners are very happy I assisted them.
I just ran a 50a 120/240v feeder to a GE 4space/8-circuit panel in my HT closet, and used the original power cords.

The yellow cable feeds a small relay that controls a 4p contactor for my power and sub amplifiers, and LV supplies.

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I also belong to a home-theater forum, though I haven't posted there in a few years. We often debated fine points and different opinions, but I never saw a discussion turn into an argument.

The question of whether or not to route the video signals through equipment, such as receivers, preamp/processors, etc, for source switching, or to run them straight to the display, requiring switching inputs on multiple devices.

The big concern was possible signal degradation. I pointed out that they're watching a recording rather than attending the actual event live. Isn't that the ultimate signal degradation? I already know whether it's live or Memorex.
 
IMHO if the plugs and receptacles delivering power to the audio equipment make a difference in sound quality, then the audio equipment power supply components are defective.

This is not to say that strange (and audible) effects cannot occur; they certainly do. Just that the blame is placed in the wrong place.

When I was in college, there was the whole 'green pen' thing regarding CDs. People would use green markers to color the outside of CDs, and detect audible changes. The engineers poo-pooed the whole concept; CDs were a digital format, and marking on the CD couldn't change the bitstream.

Then some engineers ran some really good blinded experiments. Proper AB comparisons on high end equipment where the listeners didn't know what the source was unless they could hear a difference. I don't know if they heard differences with the green pens, but they did hear differences between an original CD and a digitally exact CDR duplicate...and started to look deeper.

What they discovered were ways that analog changes to the CD could propagate to the analog output of the system, by several paths. For example servo noise from the actuators that moved the read head to follow the data track, or timing errors in the D to A conversion because of timing fluctuations in the bitstream. Remember that all signals are _analog_; what makes a 'digital' signal is the quantized interpretation of an analog signal to record discrete numbers rather than the actual continuous value. Proper reconstruction of the digital bitstream throws away all of the analog noise from the signal channel, but in these audio systems some of this analog noise was making it to the output stage. IMHO D to A converters subject to these flaws were poorly designed and 'broken'.

So if your high end audio equipment is improved by adding a $2K power cord, then IMHO there is something wrong with the audio equipment in the first place.

-Jon
 
Get rid of all the plugs and receptacles. They have a detrimental impact on sonics that is very apparent.

Sorry, not buying it (or them). So far, I haven't seen a proper double-blind study that supports any effect of power cords against perceived sonic clarity; AFAIK the AES hasn't either.

OTOH, if someone wants to spend even $50 on a power cord, I'd love to sell them.

(Just saw Jon's post- if a power cord actually improves the sound or picture, the equipment isn't well designed.)
 
It looks like nice work Larry. I would keep it all on 1 phase. Its pretty common to have 1 to 2 volts difference between phases. That can translate into ground loops as the voltage difference works though the equipment. It can also manifest as a bit of smear and loss of punch in the bass. I run #4 to subpanels too. That oven wire is easy to install. I then take the red and phase it green. Using both the red/green and #10 paper ground together will drop about 7 milivolts of potential between the ground and neutral at the subpanel. I always shoot for 0. If I'm running pipe and wire, my phase and Neutral are maybe #4 and my ground is then #2. I always double the size of the ground.
 
I use to be into HT 20 years ago but admittedly lost interest and stopped following so educate me. How will a power cord really impact anything IF, the branch circuit feeding it is the usual? I am assuming you want to make the power cord as electrically transparent as possible but why would that matter? What about the branch circuit, service, or the utility transformer? If that's all good then what are these ridiculous cords made from? What makes them so "good".
 
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