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jwelectric said:
Ryan,
You can buy them books and send them to school but it is on them to learn.

as you have pointed out above:
This definition applies to the section, not the just the subsection
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210.8 is not he only issue here, or am i missing something. OP said he was going to GFI, what of the other issues:confused:
 
Many countertop wet bar appliances are ungrounded, and the presence of water and grounded surfaces contributes to a hazardous environment, leading to this requirement for GFCI protection around a wet bar sink, One other note they cannot be installed face up position... But feel free to run whatever size wire you think they will need... and as many receptacles they wish to pay for, but if that receptacle falls within 6' of a sink, it HAS to be GFCI protected...
 
Not trying to throw a wrench in the gears but how do you look at an ODK,does it also require 2 SA circuits ???? I usually treat them as a wet bar and gfci protected as required but a few opinions would be nice.
 
360Youth said:
If this is a dwelling, which I believe it is because of the basement reference, 210.52(B) should be the application. Small appliance circuit is not limited to kitchen and DRM, but similar areas as well. Wet bars are an interpretation at worst, with the likelihood of blenders and other appliances, but that one may well be argued. The wet bar will not be required to have its own 2 circuits. It will part of the two required. My understanding is there shall be 2 circuits to cover all the areas, not each.
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I don't think I would condsider a wet bar a "similar area". I would not even consider extending the sa circuits to it unless it was in a kitchen or dining room.
In this case it is in the basement and it most likely would be easier to run new circuits than to try to extend existing sa circuits anyway.
If you were of the mindset that this should be part of the sa circuits I believe you could still run a seperate 20 amp circuit and call it a sa circuit even if it not part of the two required. The requirement for two is a minimum, you may have as many as you like as long as it is two or more.
 
electricmanscott said:
I don't think I would condsider a wet bar a "similar area". I would not even consider extending the sa circuits to it unless it was in a kitchen or dining room.
In this case it is in the basement and it most likely would be easier to run new circuits than to try to extend existing sa circuits anyway.
If you were of the mindset that this should be part of the sa circuits I believe you could still run a seperate 20 amp circuit and call it a sa circuit even if it not part of the two required. The requirement for two is a minimum, you may have as many as you like as long as it is two or more.
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I agree. I was trying to asnswer what was required. The SA could go either way. I have done both depending on set up and location. Usually, if it is a mini-fridge, I wil put the recepts with that to cut down on my circuits, depending, again, on what I think they will be doing with that area.
 
My next question would be..... If it is on a print as an outdoor kitchen, then wouldn`t it have to be wired as if it was an inside kitchen ????? i have always wired them that way.But the question I have is .... Is it required ??????
 
allenwayne said:
My next question would be..... If it is on a print as an outdoor kitchen, then wouldn`t it have to be wired as if it was an inside kitchen ????? i have always wired them that way.But the question I have is .... Is it required ??????
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Since the NEC doesen't even mention the fact of WHERE the kitchen is located in 210.52 (B)(3). IMO if it is a kitchen than you need to follow 20.52 (B)(3)...
 
Gentlemen thank you for all the helpful replies. I now know what to do so I believe I'm good to go, thx...The inspector in this town is VERY tough.
 
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