Bar receptacle

[Cow]

The bar in question is just used for sitting at and getting drunk. There is a seperate bar for making drinks. This is a private home not a typical commercial bar. We entertain up to 80 people on saturday nights.

I thought that's what the nightclub is for?

:smile:

 

[Jim W in Tampa]

Jim this is obviously going to be an AHJ call. FWIW I would consider it wall space. If it were a 3' high knee wall would you consider it wall space.


This sums it up for me, in fact I also think that a 6x6 post (true 6") would need a recep.

I totally agree if it was a knee WALL but its not a wall its a bar that happens to have a huge base . Also have ran into situations of post and did install receeptacles.

 

[Volta]

Volta, you can't just highlight what you want something to say while just ignoring the other applicable words.

The bar in question is not a fixed room divider

What other words? Dividers? I did type out the whole sub-section:
"210.52(A)(2)(3) The space afforded by fixed room dividers such as free-standing bar-type counters or railings."

Sure, it may not be a "divider", judgement call probably, but with the room 15 x 48, and a bar that is 8' long, without knowing the placement, I don't think it is unreasonable to think it may be. Only Jim W or his AHJ can be the decider.

But don't forget "(1) Any space 2 ft or more in width . . ."
Doesn't mention either walls, panels, or dividers directly.

 

[Jim W in Tampa]

If we use the any wall space then my island in kitchen that has 2 receptacle would still leave wall space that is over 6 feet from receptacle. I posted picture. You tell me what it is. We very much are not deviding this room. It's all one huge room with tables ,bar ,drink making bar ,frig,DJ booth,dance floor with pole and lights. Yes you could put something in front of it. No clue why or who would but thats not the point.

 

[M. D.]

Are we talking about a dwelling unit??

 

[M. D.]

disregard my last post... I would not consider it wall space

 

[Jim W in Tampa]

disregard my last post... I would not consider it wall space

I know its not in my opinion but this is a bit gray.

 

[ptrip]

From the picture you posted, it looks more like an anchored table than a bar or island ... if that means anything!

Semantics are great ... aren't they?

 

[charlie b]

Sure sounds like:

210.52(A)(2)(3) The space afforded by fixed room dividers such as free-standing bar-type counters or railings.

Volta, you can't just highlight what you want something to say while just ignoring the other applicable words.

What other words? Dividers?

No, you need two more words. I?ll add the bold text at the critical section:

210.52(A)(2)(3) The space afforded by fixed room dividers

Being fixed in place does not make an item a room divider. The whole point of this part of the rule is that a person can stand on one side of the divider, and be in one room or one room area, and have need of plugging in a floor lamp or a table lamp, while another person can be on the other side of the divider, and be in another room or another room area, and have need of plugging in a floor lamp or table lamp on that side as well. In Jim?s case, there is not a ?one side of the divider? versus ?the other side of the divider? situation. It does not fall into the scope of the rule. This is not an AHJ call. It is a clear non-applicability.

 

[charlie b]

But don't forget "(1) Any space 2 ft or more in width . . ."

Doesn't mention either walls, panels, or dividers directly.

Yes it does. It mentions walls, quite directly, and without any ambiguity. The word appears in the title of the article, as in, ?210.52(A)(2) Wall Space.?

Are you going to put a receptacle on each side of a large chandelier, in the ceiling itself, on the basis that the item is fixed in place, and that it divides the room into ?one side of the chandelier? and ?the other side of the chandelier?? No? Why not? Ah, because this is not a wall, that?s why.

Bottom line, as I mentioned above already:
? Step 1: If you have a wall, then measure it, to see if you have wall space.
? Step 2: If you don't have a wall, then you don't have wall space.
? Exception to Step 2: Check to see if you have a ?fixed panel in an exterior wall? or a ?fixed room divider.?

 

[JohnJ0906]

I totally agree if it was a knee WALL but its not a wall its a bar that happens to have a huge base . Also have ran into situations of post and did install receeptacles.

If that was in a kitchen, I would call it an island, requiring a receptacle, but since it isn't in a kitchen, I say, no receptacle.

What I REALLY want to know, is what is the deal with the pole on the dance floor? And can I get an invite to one of your parties? :grin:

 

[Jim W in Tampa]

If that was in a kitchen, I would call it an island, requiring a receptacle, but since it isn't in a kitchen, I say, no receptacle. But should need ever change there is mc coiled up inside.

What I REALLY want to know, is what is the deal with the pole on the dance floor? And can I get an invite to one of your parties? :grin:

I agree if it was in kitchen you could and should call it an island.
The pole is for the girls. It's a private membership club. I made sure my DJ booth has great view of the pole. The pole helps them to stand up LOL. You don't get out much do you LOL

 

[M. D.]

. It's a private membership club.

So is a private club in a dwelling subject to 210.52 ...

 

[Jim W in Tampa]

So is a private club in a dwelling subject to 210.52 ...

Yes it is. Its still very much a dwelling. That room is simply a huge family room as far as nec and county. Being a private club is the legal way to have the club here. Makes it a non buisness and not open to the puplic. Lot of loopholes just gotta find the ones you need. It's all about lawyers and loopholes. I know if it was commercial none required. But even then most want some.