Basics for Electrical Safety

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tom baker

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What would suggestions be on core concerns for electrical safety, 600 volts and under?
I suggest:
Don't work hot
Always use GFCI's
PPE
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noxx

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tom baker said:
What would suggestions be on core concerns for electrical safety, 600 volts and under?
I suggest:
Don't work hot
Always use GFCI's
PPE
Lock out Tag out

No jewelry, the world is full of nine fingered electricians.

No loose fitting clothes. You wanna be the first guy in the world to kill himself with his own DeWalt?

Really I think the basics of safe work practices for most trades apply, including jobsite common sense, proper use and maintenance of tools and cords etc. The only real problem is that while we all know the first rule "Don't work hot", how many trouble situations cannot be resolved without at least some hot work?
 

dlhoule

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petersonra said:
don't allow dimwits in he area

Yeah, but Bob, sometimes dimwits are in charge of the area.
I agree with Mr. Baker and we are each responsible for our own safety. It is not safe to rely on what we are told by someone else.
 

celtic

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Location
NJ
tom baker said:
What would suggestions be on core concerns for electrical safety, 600 volts and under?
That an individual spends 13 minutes of their life watching this video:


Those 13 minutes could extend a person's life for decades.

**WARNING**

The above video contains graphic images of injuries associated with contact with LESS than 600V.

IMHO, more people are injuried and/or killed by LV (less than 600V) than by MV or HV contact.
 

neonjoe

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Location
Kentucky
Excellent video, Celtic. I wasn't aware that low ma's could be so damaging. I've always worked carefully around neon, but now have a new respect for its potential. Thanks.
 

celtic

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Location
NJ
neonjoe said:
I wasn't aware that low ma's could be so damaging.

Ever question the whole concept of GFI's?
There is a definite reason why the trip setting/rating is in the milli-amp range....death being the primary reason.
 

charlie b

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To the electrician and to the homeowner, I would emphasize the following facts: (1) 120 volts can kill, and (2) A circuit breaker will never, NEVER trip open to save you.

To the DIY, I would say, "The life you don't save won't be your own, because you will have moved away before then, and you will never know it happened."
 

cowboyjwc

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CHIEF MODERATOR'S NOTES:

1. I have edited out personal contact information, in an effort to preserve the privacy of the persons involved in this incident.

2. The Owner and Moderators of this Forum do not normally permit the Forum to be used as a platform for pronouncing anyone's religious beliefs. I don't see that happening here. Rather, the nature of this story is such that, in my opinion at least, it's religious character should be allowed. Therefore, except for my having deleted email addresses and other personal information, what you see below remains as originally posted.

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This is an email I just got this morning from my wife.


This is from Kyle that used to work for me.



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Subject: PLEASE READ....


Good Morning,

I want everyone to know how great, wonderful, merciful, forgiving
and perfect Jesus is. Yesterday, July 4, 2006, my husband and I noticed our
pool pump had stopped and we wanted to get it started again. The pool guy
had been over a few days prior and showed Kevin how to get it started if it
stopped. Well, Kevin started working on it, he was in the shed where the
pump was putting water in the pump and I was standing by the pool waiting to
check if I could feel the pump start. After a couple of tries I heard Kevin
cry out for me. I knew by the sound of his voice something was not right.
So I ran into the shed and saw my husband slumped over the pump. I said baby
what happed? He did not respond to me. I went over to try to lift him
up (I thought his hand was stuck in something) and not only did I feel an
electric shock run thru me, but his body was limp. I screamed "BABY" and he
did not respond. I knew not to touch him again or I could really get
electrocuted too. I ran out side and could not find anything rubber or wood
to help lift him off and away from the pump. So I ran back to him and
pulled him by his shirt to get him off of the pump, and turned him on his
back. His eyes were rolled back and I still had no response from him. I ran
into the house to get the phone to call 911 and while I had them on the
phone I ran back to him to try to wake him up. I was screaming at him
"BABY, BABY, BABY" and the 911 operator kept asking me what was wrong. I
said my husband has been electrocuted. They said they were sending someone
for help. I pounded on Kevin's chest to try to have him wake up and after a
couple of times he started to come to. I got him out of the shed and on to
the grass and he fell to his knees and the first thing that came out of his
mouth was, "OH, THANK YOU FATHER, THANK YOU JESUS, YOU KEPT ME, I COULD HAVE
DIED, AND YOU
KEPT ME, OH, THANK YOU FATHER. " He just kept praising Jesus. I heard the
ambulance and fire truck in the front of the house and ran to get them.
They took all of his vitals and decided he was going to be fine. He did not
have to go to the hospital. He had a couple of minor burns and he had blood
coming from his mouth from bitting his lip and after making sure he would be
ok, they left.

I thank God for giving Kevin the voice to call out to me when he was being
electrocuted.
I thank God for giving me the strength to help Kevin.
I thank God for keeping me calm enough to help Kevin and call 911.
I thank God for the quick response of the Firemen and Emergency Services.
I thank God for keeping my husband alive.
I thank God for my husband.
I thank God for his mercy, his love, his forgiveness and his power.

I broke down after the firemen and emergency services got there. I was
crying like a baby and Kevin said to me "No more morning, it is time to
praise HIM". Since he said that there was no more crying because I was
scared, I cried tears of joy and happiness.

He could have taken Kevin, but he blessed us with another day. Tell someone
you love them today. And thank God for his blessings.

HAVE A BLESSED DAY
 
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infinity

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New Jersey
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Journeyman Electrician
After reading that story I felt very happy that it turned out OK but I was rather taken aback by the fact that a person who suffered an severe electric shock was not taken to a hospital for testing. Seems that I remember from some safety courses that I took that even a minor shock should require a visit to the ER. IMO I find it hard to believe that a person who was unconscious from an electric shock would be treated at the scene and simply sent back to his home.
 

neonjoe

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Location
Kentucky
celtic said:
Ever question the whole concept of GFI's?
There is a definite reason why the trip setting/rating is in the milli-amp range....death being the primary reason.

I was aware of the concept of GFI's. The only question I ever asked myself was, "Why so low?". Now I know. I'm sure glad it wasn't too late.
 

celtic

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Location
NJ
neonjoe said:
I was aware of the concept of GFI's. The only question I ever asked myself was, "Why so low?". Now I know. I'm sure glad it wasn't too late.

Me too :)


(This message is too short, I need to add some filler and here it is)
 

celtic

Senior Member
Location
NJ
This is a bit gross:
[Piece of man's skull falls off]
(Links to Yahoo news)

Apparently, this man in India was "injured and almost killed when he was electrocuted while repairing a high voltage wire last October". Today, a fairly large chunk of his skull fell off!
"He intends to keep his prized possession for life and not hand it over to the hospital when he leaves: "My skull has made me famous," he says."

:eek:

...and for all you gore mongers, there is a picture.
 

sparky_magoo

Senior Member
Location
Reno
I don't mean to put down the story, but pounding on an unconcious victums chest is not CPR. I am a CPR instructor and I have a serious problem with TV indicating a pound on the chest will start a heart.

In the very early days of CPR, it was believed a pound to the heart might jump start pumping again. This has been prooven false, a long time ago. In the late seventies, shows like "Emergency" and "Chips" showed a pound to the heart before starting CPR. This is wrong and it was known at the time. You can't learn CPR from TV. I hope all who read this post will know that you never pound on someone's chest for any reason.

Another tragety occurs when poorly trained people attempt CPR on a person with a pulse. If a so called rescuer administers compressions on the heart of a victum with a pulse, the rescuer will most likely kill the victum.

If anyone has issues with my statement, PM me.
 

cowboyjwc

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Sorry about posting the personal info.

I posted this email just as I got it. It was not intended to show any religious believes. It was not intended to tell someone how to do CPR. I too can't believe that he was not sent to the hospital.

I simply sent it to show that it does not have to be high voltage to kill you and that anything can happen at any time. I have heard more than one story of someone being killed by a pump motor. I just happen to know these people.
 
I've worked as an emt/firefighter, as well as an electrician/ electrical contractor for over 30 years.

1) Always get checked out by hospital personnel (not field medics) whenever you suffer a severe electrical shock or lose consciousness.

2) Did the contractor involved get this equipment GFCI protected?

3) Ditto on the CPR instructor's comments (I did this as well for many years)

These folks are really fornunate!
 
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