bath fan light
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jimwalker
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Re: bath fan light
Its not a NEC code ,but might be a local building code.Check with AHJ
Its not a NEC code ,but might be a local building code.Check with AHJ
hurk27
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Re: bath fan light
That would be a very bad code if there was one as The only purpose for the bath fan is for the removal of moisture from showers and baths. Now the bathroom has many purposes, and I would not want the fan to come on in the middle of the night. when it is being use for these other purpose. We had a AHJ that tried to inforce the same thing but it didn't last.
[ January 02, 2004, 01:47 AM: Message edited by: hurk27 ]
That would be a very bad code if there was one as The only purpose for the bath fan is for the removal of moisture from showers and baths. Now the bathroom has many purposes, and I would not want the fan to come on in the middle of the night. when it is being use for these other purpose. We had a AHJ that tried to inforce the same thing but it didn't last.
[ January 02, 2004, 01:47 AM: Message edited by: hurk27 ]
Re: bath fan light
hurk,
The venting of moisture is the secondary purpose of a bath fan. The first and foremost reason is the Methane Gas caused by the purpose of the bathroom. There may be a local code concerning the fan/light on the same switch especially with no windows, but fan/light going on at same time is a good thing.
Have a Good New Year,
hurk,
The venting of moisture is the secondary purpose of a bath fan. The first and foremost reason is the Methane Gas caused by the purpose of the bathroom. There may be a local code concerning the fan/light on the same switch especially with no windows, but fan/light going on at same time is a good thing.
Have a Good New Year,
jimwalker
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Re: bath fan light
Having it is a good thing.Making one use it every time they need light is just flat out ignorant.If we are not capable of common since to use it when needed then maybe a more advanced system is needed,like a gas detector and humidity sencer.Sounds like Hitler still at work.
Have seen the results when one switch is available.The plug on fan gets pulled.
Having it is a good thing.Making one use it every time they need light is just flat out ignorant.If we are not capable of common since to use it when needed then maybe a more advanced system is needed,like a gas detector and humidity sencer.Sounds like Hitler still at work.
Have seen the results when one switch is available.The plug on fan gets pulled.
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The plumbing is there to take care of the gas.
If the intent of a bath fan was to move dangerous levels of methane gas it would be an explosion proof type unit and cost $1,000s
This is the second time I have seen this theory for a bathroom fan given.
The plumbing is there to take care of the gas.
If the intent of a bath fan was to move dangerous levels of methane gas it would be an explosion proof type unit and cost $1,000s
Re: bath fan light
I don't know, it may be true in Florida. Parts of Florida test their lift station generators more strenuously than what is required for Healthcare facilities.
Bob, explosion proof hmmmm. May be the next major life saving device after the AFCI settles down, and I bet many will believe it necessary too.
Roger
[ January 03, 2004, 05:16 PM: Message edited by: roger ]
I don't know, it may be true in Florida. Parts of Florida test their lift station generators more strenuously than what is required for Healthcare facilities.
Bob, explosion proof hmmmm. May be the next major life saving device after the AFCI settles down, and I bet many will believe it necessary too.
Roger
[ January 03, 2004, 05:16 PM: Message edited by: roger ]
jimwalker
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Re: bath fan light
I am far from being a plumber but i do understand what P traps are.No gas from septic or sewers will get into that bathroom unless the traps are empty or not installed.Watch out on remodels ,often an unthinking demo crew removes toilets and forget to stuff a rag in them.The fart fan is indeed just that and helps remove moisture.There is no need for it to run except when taking showers or using the toilet.I can see value in public restrooms to insure its use by having 1 switch.There well could be health laws to mandate this.We as electricians can hardly be exspected to know all the laws.I do very little commercial work but it does seem that they all use only 1 switch.This is something the arc.should have on the plans if it is required.As to private homes (at least in FL)most seem to have seperate switches.
I am far from being a plumber but i do understand what P traps are.No gas from septic or sewers will get into that bathroom unless the traps are empty or not installed.Watch out on remodels ,often an unthinking demo crew removes toilets and forget to stuff a rag in them.The fart fan is indeed just that and helps remove moisture.There is no need for it to run except when taking showers or using the toilet.I can see value in public restrooms to insure its use by having 1 switch.There well could be health laws to mandate this.We as electricians can hardly be exspected to know all the laws.I do very little commercial work but it does seem that they all use only 1 switch.This is something the arc.should have on the plans if it is required.As to private homes (at least in FL)most seem to have seperate switches.
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Re: bath fan light
Its best to have seperate switches. In the damp NW I have a 30 minute timer on my bath exhaust fans. Some places I have visited don't even have bath fans, as its very dry, I can tell when its dry out here when the mirror does not fog up.
Its best to have seperate switches. In the damp NW I have a 30 minute timer on my bath exhaust fans. Some places I have visited don't even have bath fans, as its very dry, I can tell when its dry out here when the mirror does not fog up.
jimwalker
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Re: bath fan light
How long will it take till the owner gets sick of hearing that $10 fan and unplugs it?
How long will it take till the owner gets sick of hearing that $10 fan and unplugs it?
hurk27
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Re: bath fan light
Jim I agree with you on that one
Jim I agree with you on that one
pierre
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Re: bath fan light
How long before the owner unplugs the fan... how long before one does not wear a seatbelt ... how long before one disconnects the catalytic converter....
Our job is not to worry what someone may do after we leave, just what is proper for the original installation.
NY's building code also calls for one switch for fan and light if there is no window in the bathroom.
The question is do we install two switches because we do not like the idea of one switch. I say if that is the case, there is no need for any code.
Pierre
How long before the owner unplugs the fan... how long before one does not wear a seatbelt ... how long before one disconnects the catalytic converter....
Our job is not to worry what someone may do after we leave, just what is proper for the original installation.
NY's building code also calls for one switch for fan and light if there is no window in the bathroom.
The question is do we install two switches because we do not like the idea of one switch. I say if that is the case, there is no need for any code.
Pierre
Re: bath fan light
Pierre, you are right. Too many want to worry about what "could" happen. We are only concerned with what takes place from the OCPD to the device. What happens after we leave is beyond our control.
As has been said before, trying to make things idiot proof just breeds a more determined idiot.
We will never be able to cover all "The sky is falling" scenarios so we do things right and per the applicable codes, then we sleep well and do it all over again tomorrow.
Roger
Pierre, you are right. Too many want to worry about what "could" happen. We are only concerned with what takes place from the OCPD to the device. What happens after we leave is beyond our control.
As has been said before, trying to make things idiot proof just breeds a more determined idiot.
We will never be able to cover all "The sky is falling" scenarios so we do things right and per the applicable codes, then we sleep well and do it all over again tomorrow.
Roger
Re: bath fan light
ok guys I have had enough. You feel you are right even though you have not asked the right people. So we will start with JimWalker. I love your idea that f*art fans are just for moisture and are used when using the shower or the toilet. We are getting closer when you say using the toilet. As for Florida it is a bldg code to use only one switch unless there is a window. It is for the Methane Gas created. Now go ahead and laugh but I give all you non believers a challange to find where it says that methane Gas is not created in a bathroom and the fan is not used for this purpose. Give me a code article from you state saying the fan is for moisture only and not for Methane Gas. Tell me where it says moisture from the shower is a danger. Then show me where it says Methane Gas is not either. So when BigJohn says there is a code for with or without a window is he saying moisture is a danger? OH, By the way, Wire, The fan is make sure dangerous levels of Methane Gas do not accumulate.
It's amazing but you guys wire F*art fans every day and have no idea why you are doing it other than moisture.
Remember my chanllange prove I am wrong.
And still have a Happy New Year,.
Andrew
ok guys I have had enough. You feel you are right even though you have not asked the right people. So we will start with JimWalker. I love your idea that f*art fans are just for moisture and are used when using the shower or the toilet. We are getting closer when you say using the toilet. As for Florida it is a bldg code to use only one switch unless there is a window. It is for the Methane Gas created. Now go ahead and laugh but I give all you non believers a challange to find where it says that methane Gas is not created in a bathroom and the fan is not used for this purpose. Give me a code article from you state saying the fan is for moisture only and not for Methane Gas. Tell me where it says moisture from the shower is a danger. Then show me where it says Methane Gas is not either. So when BigJohn says there is a code for with or without a window is he saying moisture is a danger? OH, By the way, Wire, The fan is make sure dangerous levels of Methane Gas do not accumulate.
It's amazing but you guys wire F*art fans every day and have no idea why you are doing it other than moisture.
Remember my chanllange prove I am wrong.
And still have a Happy New Year,.
Andrew
big john
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Re: bath fan light
What properly constructed bathroom generates such a regular buildup of methane so as to necessitate an exhaust fan?
If said fan were installed soley to vent gross accumulations of explosive gases, it stands to reason those fans would Class 1, Division 1 rated for hazardous locations. Otherwise, you would create an explosion hazard just by turning the darn thing on.
Give me a break. :roll:
-John
[ January 04, 2004, 04:31 PM: Message edited by: big john ]
What properly constructed bathroom generates such a regular buildup of methane so as to necessitate an exhaust fan?
If said fan were installed soley to vent gross accumulations of explosive gases, it stands to reason those fans would Class 1, Division 1 rated for hazardous locations. Otherwise, you would create an explosion hazard just by turning the darn thing on.
Give me a break. :roll:
-John
[ January 04, 2004, 04:31 PM: Message edited by: big john ]
Re: bath fan light
Big John, That whats making being older and maybe not wiser real easy. You can say whatever you want but until you can back up what you are saying then don't say anything. If you are right I will be the first one to say I am wrong until then prove it.
Andrew
Big John, That whats making being older and maybe not wiser real easy. You can say whatever you want but until you can back up what you are saying then don't say anything. If you are right I will be the first one to say I am wrong until then prove it.
Andrew
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