BATH RECEPTACLES
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gary
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- California
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- Retired electrical contractor / general contractor
Re: BATH RECEPTACLES
Code only prohibits putting a receptacle "in" the shower. Your installation should have been OK. Ask him to recite a reference. In some small bathrooms, it's not possible to install the required outlet without having it quite close to the shower.
Code only prohibits putting a receptacle "in" the shower. Your installation should have been OK. Ask him to recite a reference. In some small bathrooms, it's not possible to install the required outlet without having it quite close to the shower.
allenwayne
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Re: BATH RECEPTACLES
Ask him what article he is citing.We do over 2,500 homes a year and have never been tagged for a receptacle within 15 in of a tub or shower.I know of one model that has a knee wall aside a garden tub rhat has a receptacle horiz. at the top of the knee wall and it has to be around 12 in from waters edge.As I understand it as long as you don`t breach the verticle line of the tub or shower it is ok to have receps and/or switches in that location
Ask him what article he is citing.We do over 2,500 homes a year and have never been tagged for a receptacle within 15 in of a tub or shower.I know of one model that has a knee wall aside a garden tub rhat has a receptacle horiz. at the top of the knee wall and it has to be around 12 in from waters edge.As I understand it as long as you don`t breach the verticle line of the tub or shower it is ok to have receps and/or switches in that location
bphgravity
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- Florida
Re: BATH RECEPTACLES
The "zone" has only been established for specific type luminaires in bathub and shower spaces. Switches and receptacles do not have to meet the restrictions of this zone.
The "zone" has only been established for specific type luminaires in bathub and shower spaces. Switches and receptacles do not have to meet the restrictions of this zone.
physis
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Re: BATH RECEPTACLES
406.8(C) Bathtub and Shower Space. A receptacle shall not be installed within a bathtub or shower space.
You wont find a definition for for this space because there isn't one.
410.4(D) defines the tub zone and like Bryan says, it's for lighting fixtures. That's what Article 410 covers.
My guess is the inspector is confusing the two sections. I also think that because 406.8(C) is so vague the inspector can pretty much decide it means whatever he wants it to mean. Hopefully a short discussion with him or her about the two codes can get it to pass.
406.8(C) Bathtub and Shower Space. A receptacle shall not be installed within a bathtub or shower space.
You wont find a definition for for this space because there isn't one.
410.4(D) defines the tub zone and like Bryan says, it's for lighting fixtures. That's what Article 410 covers.
My guess is the inspector is confusing the two sections. I also think that because 406.8(C) is so vague the inspector can pretty much decide it means whatever he wants it to mean. Hopefully a short discussion with him or her about the two codes can get it to pass.
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- New Jersey
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- Journeyman Electrician
Re: BATH RECEPTACLES
Sounds like the inspector is confusing the restriction on lighting fixtures in the bathtub and shower areas [410.4(D)]with the GFCI receptacle you installed. The receptacle is permitted anywhere outside of the shower or tub area as long as it outside of the footprint of the tub or shower and adjacent to the sink. Look at 406.8(C).
Sounds like the inspector is confusing the restriction on lighting fixtures in the bathtub and shower areas [410.4(D)]with the GFCI receptacle you installed. The receptacle is permitted anywhere outside of the shower or tub area as long as it outside of the footprint of the tub or shower and adjacent to the sink. Look at 406.8(C).
hurk27
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- Portage, Indiana NEC: 2008
Re: BATH RECEPTACLES
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I can't see the responce's until I click the reply?
Ok Web Master it's broke!
Where is Danny when you need him?
allenwayne
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Re: BATH RECEPTACLES
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JJWalecka
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- New England
Re: BATH RECEPTACLES
Ronnie,
Article 406.8 Receptacles in damp or wet locations
406.8 (C) Bathtub and shower space. A receptacle shall not be installed within a bathtub or shower space.
410.4 Luminaries (fixtures) in specific locations.
410.4 (D) Bath tub and shower areas. No parts of cord-connected luminaire (fixtures), hanging luminaries (fixtures), lighting track,pendent or cieling-suspended (paddle) fans shall be located within a zone measured 900mm (3ft) horizontally and 2.5m (8ft) vertically from the top of the bathtub rim or shower stall threshold. This zone is all encompassing and includes the zone directly over the tub or shower stall.
The code refers to the Area, Zone, and Space as the same thing, just worded differently. In my opinion, the code doesn't want a person to go into the tub with a convent plug available for TV, radio, ect. We all know that they could just run a cord from the GFCI near the sink but where you mentioned putting the plug they could be standing in the tub to plug it in. I have seen some bathrooms in which where so small that keeping the GFCI away from the tub zone was impossible. My interpretation and common sense tells me that if a person can stand in the tub and plug something into the outlet than it is too close. I had more information upon the bathtub area topic but I currently do not have that notebook on me. We discussed this topic in the Masters preparation class I was attending and this states pretty much what I recall. I searched in the code book for about forty five minutes and couldn't find anything else. I hope that it helped.
Justin
Ronnie,
Article 406.8 Receptacles in damp or wet locations
406.8 (C) Bathtub and shower space. A receptacle shall not be installed within a bathtub or shower space.
410.4 Luminaries (fixtures) in specific locations.
410.4 (D) Bath tub and shower areas. No parts of cord-connected luminaire (fixtures), hanging luminaries (fixtures), lighting track,pendent or cieling-suspended (paddle) fans shall be located within a zone measured 900mm (3ft) horizontally and 2.5m (8ft) vertically from the top of the bathtub rim or shower stall threshold. This zone is all encompassing and includes the zone directly over the tub or shower stall.
The code refers to the Area, Zone, and Space as the same thing, just worded differently. In my opinion, the code doesn't want a person to go into the tub with a convent plug available for TV, radio, ect. We all know that they could just run a cord from the GFCI near the sink but where you mentioned putting the plug they could be standing in the tub to plug it in. I have seen some bathrooms in which where so small that keeping the GFCI away from the tub zone was impossible. My interpretation and common sense tells me that if a person can stand in the tub and plug something into the outlet than it is too close. I had more information upon the bathtub area topic but I currently do not have that notebook on me. We discussed this topic in the Masters preparation class I was attending and this states pretty much what I recall. I searched in the code book for about forty five minutes and couldn't find anything else. I hope that it helped.
Justin
JJWalecka
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- New England
Re: BATH RECEPTACLES
Ronnie,
Article 406.8 Receptacles in damp or wet locations
406.8 Bathtub and shower space. A receptacle shall not be installed within a bathtub or shower space.
410.4 Luminaries (fixtures) in specific locations.
410.4 (D) Bath tub and shower areas. No parts of cord-connected luminaries (fixtures), hanging luminaries (fixtures), lighting track, pendant or cieling-suspended (paddle) fans shall be located within a zone measured 900mm (3ft) horizontally and 2.5m (8ft) vertically from the top of the bathtub rim or shower stall threshold. This zone is all encompassing and includes the zone directly over the tub or shower stall.
The code refers to the Area, Zone, and Space as the same thing, just worded differently. In my opinion, the code doesn't want a person to go into the tub with a convient plug available for TV, radio, ect. We all know that they could just run a cord from the GFCI near the sink but where you mentioned putting the plug they could be standing in the tub to plug it in. I have seen some bathrooms in which where so small that keeping the GFCI away from the tub zone was impossible. My interpretation and common sense tells me that if a person can stand in the tub and plug something into the outlet than it is too close. I had more information upon the bathtub area topic but I currently do not have that notebook on me. We discussed this topic in the Masters preparation class I was attending and this states pretty much what I recall. I searched in the code book for about forty five minutes and couldn't find anything else. I hope that it helped.
Justin
Ronnie,
Article 406.8 Receptacles in damp or wet locations
406.8 Bathtub and shower space. A receptacle shall not be installed within a bathtub or shower space.
410.4 Luminaries (fixtures) in specific locations.
410.4 (D) Bath tub and shower areas. No parts of cord-connected luminaries (fixtures), hanging luminaries (fixtures), lighting track, pendant or cieling-suspended (paddle) fans shall be located within a zone measured 900mm (3ft) horizontally and 2.5m (8ft) vertically from the top of the bathtub rim or shower stall threshold. This zone is all encompassing and includes the zone directly over the tub or shower stall.
The code refers to the Area, Zone, and Space as the same thing, just worded differently. In my opinion, the code doesn't want a person to go into the tub with a convient plug available for TV, radio, ect. We all know that they could just run a cord from the GFCI near the sink but where you mentioned putting the plug they could be standing in the tub to plug it in. I have seen some bathrooms in which where so small that keeping the GFCI away from the tub zone was impossible. My interpretation and common sense tells me that if a person can stand in the tub and plug something into the outlet than it is too close. I had more information upon the bathtub area topic but I currently do not have that notebook on me. We discussed this topic in the Masters preparation class I was attending and this states pretty much what I recall. I searched in the code book for about forty five minutes and couldn't find anything else. I hope that it helped.
Justin
JJWalecka
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- Location
- New England
Re: BATH RECEPTACLES
Ronnie,
Article 406.8 Receptacles in damp or wet locations
406.8 Bathtub and shower space. A receptacle shall not be installed within a bathtub or shower space.
410.4 Luminaries (fixtures) in specific locations.
410.4 (D) Bath tub and shower areas. No parts of cord-connected luminaries (fixtures), hanging luminaries (fixtures), lighting track, pendant or cieling-suspended (paddle) fans shall be located within a zone measured 900mm (3ft) horizontally and 2.5m (8ft) vertically from the top of the bathtub rim or shower stall threshold. This zone is all encompassing and includes the zone directly over the tub or shower stall.
The code refers to the Area, Zone, and Space as the same thing, just worded differently. In my opinion, the code doesn't want a person to go into the tub with a convient plug available for TV, radio, ect. We all know that they could just run a cord from the GFCI near the sink but where you mentioned putting the plug they could be standing in the tub to plug it in. I have seen some bathrooms in which where so small that keeping the GFCI away from the tub zone was impossible. My interpretation and common sense tells me that if a person can stand in the tub and plug something into the outlet than it is too close. I had more information upon the bathtub area topic but I currently do not have that notebook on me. We discussed this topic in the Masters preparation class I was attending and this states pretty much what I recall. I searched in the code book for about forty five minutes and couldn't find anything else. I hope that it helped.
Justin
Ronnie,
Article 406.8 Receptacles in damp or wet locations
406.8 Bathtub and shower space. A receptacle shall not be installed within a bathtub or shower space.
410.4 Luminaries (fixtures) in specific locations.
410.4 (D) Bath tub and shower areas. No parts of cord-connected luminaries (fixtures), hanging luminaries (fixtures), lighting track, pendant or cieling-suspended (paddle) fans shall be located within a zone measured 900mm (3ft) horizontally and 2.5m (8ft) vertically from the top of the bathtub rim or shower stall threshold. This zone is all encompassing and includes the zone directly over the tub or shower stall.
The code refers to the Area, Zone, and Space as the same thing, just worded differently. In my opinion, the code doesn't want a person to go into the tub with a convient plug available for TV, radio, ect. We all know that they could just run a cord from the GFCI near the sink but where you mentioned putting the plug they could be standing in the tub to plug it in. I have seen some bathrooms in which where so small that keeping the GFCI away from the tub zone was impossible. My interpretation and common sense tells me that if a person can stand in the tub and plug something into the outlet than it is too close. I had more information upon the bathtub area topic but I currently do not have that notebook on me. We discussed this topic in the Masters preparation class I was attending and this states pretty much what I recall. I searched in the code book for about forty five minutes and couldn't find anything else. I hope that it helped.
Justin
JJWalecka
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- New England
Re: BATH RECEPTACLES
Ronnie,
Article 406.8 Receptacles in damp or wet locations
406.8(C) Bathtub and Shower space. A receptacle shall not be installed within a bathtub or shower space.
410.4 Luminaries (fixtures) in specific locations.
410.4 (D) Bathtub and shower areas. No parts of cord-connected luminarie (fixtures), hanging luminaries (fixtures), lighting track, pendant or cieling-suspended (paddle) fans shall be located within a zone measured 900 mm (3 feet) horizontally and 2.5m (8 feet) vertically from the top of the bathtub rim or shower stall threshold. This zone is all encompassing and includes the zone directly over the tub or shower stall.
The code refers to the Area, Zone, and Space as the same thing, just worded differently. In my opinion, the code doesn't want a person to go into the tub with a convenient plug available for TV, radio, etc. We all know that they could just run a cord from the GFCI near the sink but where you mentioned putting the plug they could be standing in the tub to plug it in. I have seen some bathrooms in which were so small that keeping the GFCI away from the tub zone was impossible. My interpretation and common sense tells me that if a person can stand in the tub and plug something into the outlet, then it is too close. I had more information upon the bathtub area topic, but I currently do not have that notebook on me. We discussed this topic in the Master's Prep class that I was attending and this states pretty much what I recall. I searched in the Code Book for about 45 minutes and couldn't find anything else. I hope that it helped.
Justin
Ronnie,
Article 406.8 Receptacles in damp or wet locations
406.8(C) Bathtub and Shower space. A receptacle shall not be installed within a bathtub or shower space.
410.4 Luminaries (fixtures) in specific locations.
410.4 (D) Bathtub and shower areas. No parts of cord-connected luminarie (fixtures), hanging luminaries (fixtures), lighting track, pendant or cieling-suspended (paddle) fans shall be located within a zone measured 900 mm (3 feet) horizontally and 2.5m (8 feet) vertically from the top of the bathtub rim or shower stall threshold. This zone is all encompassing and includes the zone directly over the tub or shower stall.
The code refers to the Area, Zone, and Space as the same thing, just worded differently. In my opinion, the code doesn't want a person to go into the tub with a convenient plug available for TV, radio, etc. We all know that they could just run a cord from the GFCI near the sink but where you mentioned putting the plug they could be standing in the tub to plug it in. I have seen some bathrooms in which were so small that keeping the GFCI away from the tub zone was impossible. My interpretation and common sense tells me that if a person can stand in the tub and plug something into the outlet, then it is too close. I had more information upon the bathtub area topic, but I currently do not have that notebook on me. We discussed this topic in the Master's Prep class that I was attending and this states pretty much what I recall. I searched in the Code Book for about 45 minutes and couldn't find anything else. I hope that it helped.
Justin
JJWalecka
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- Location
- New England
Re: BATH RECEPTACLES
Ronnie,
I'm sorry about the duplicate replies. I'm having a hard time see them. I don't seem to be the only one.
Justin
Ronnie,
I'm sorry about the duplicate replies. I'm having a hard time see them. I don't seem to be the only one.
Justin
allenwayne
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Re: BATH RECEPTACLES
What gets me is that you can have a receptacle 6 ins. from the tubs water line but don`t put a paddle fan that is 10 ft off the tubs spill off line within 3 ft of the waters edge
What gets me is that you can have a receptacle 6 ins. from the tubs water line but don`t put a paddle fan that is 10 ft off the tubs spill off line within 3 ft of the waters edge
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