Bathroom 20amp ckts

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allenwayne said:
It seems to me this is a double edged sword.It my not be mandated that it must be on a 20 amp circuit(after required are met)As well as it is mandated that the Required receptacles are to be 20 amp.I would like to see you convince your AHJ that it is ok to use 15 amp receptacle circuits in a bath room and if you did pass further inspections without a scrutinizing eye that at that point you have a P _ _ _ _ D off AHJ at your attempt to coerse the NEC to the letter of the law so to speak.Here is one thing but in the real world of day to day reality takes hold.
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Where is this requirement found?
 
The condo I'm working on now is using 20A recepticals for all the required bath and kitchen recepticals. About half the crew trimming thought it was code required to do so :roll:
 
georgestolz said:
Fortunately, some inspectors use 90.4 to exercise some common sense.
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George what part of 90.4 allows the inspector to make decisions?

90.4 is aimed at AHJs, in most areas inspectors are not the AHJ.

Even though many inspectors operate under the assumption that they are the AHJ.

Authority Having Jurisdiction. The organization, office, or individual responsible for approving equipment, materials, an installation, or a procedure.

FPN:The phrase ?authority having jurisdiction? is used in NFPA documents in a broad manner, since jurisdictions and approval agencies vary, as do their responsibilities. Where public safety is primary, the authority having jurisdiction may be a federal, state, local, or other regional department or individual such as a fire chief; fire marshal; chief of a fire prevention bureau, labor department, or health department; building official; electrical inspector; or others having statutory authority. For insurance purposes, an insurance inspection department, rating bureau, or other insurance company representative may be the authority having jurisdiction. In many circumstances, the property owner or his or her designated agent assumes the role of the authority having jurisdiction; at government installations, the commanding officer or departmental official may be the authority having jurisdiction.
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Electrical Inspector. An individual meeting the requirements of 80.27 and authorized to perform electrical inspections.
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I agree with this :)

I agree with this :)

ramdiesel3500 said:
Just went through this for the first time in quite a while. Here's what I get from it. 210.11(C)(3) -- All receptacle outlets in a bathroom must be on 20 amp circuit(s). So you can have several outlets in a bathroom so long as they are on 20A circuits and those circuits cannot have other outlets besides the receptacles in the bathroom! Now this can encompass more than one bathroom if you desire. So you can have, at a minimum, a single 20A circuit supplying the receptacles in every bathroom in the house. However, if you supply more than one bathroom with that single circuit, then you cannot utilize the provisions of the exception to 210.11(C)(3). Some folks like to feed the bathroom lights from that same circuit. This is only allowed if that 20A circuit feeds only that one bathroom. If you have lots of outlets in a very large bathroom, you can also have multiple 20A circuits in that bathroom. None of those circuits can feed any outlet outside of the bathroom(s). No 15A circuits allowed for bathroom recepts!
Now, in my opinion, if you want to feed the bathroom lighting from a 15A circuit that feeds other parts of the house that is fine!
Some contractors like to save money by feeding a GFCI recept in one bathroom and then running the GFCI protected circuit to all other bathroom recepts. This has generated several service calls for us when the owners bathroom recepts won't work due to a tripped GFCI in another bathroom!!! Our receptionist has even helped a few homeowners avoid a service call by having them check the GFCI in other locations!!
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Cavie said:
I. Building official, electric inspector, or others having statutory authority......
page 70-26
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Cavie what are you trying to say?


georgestolz said:
Bob, can't the AHJ's representative use 90.4 on their behalf?
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Yes they could if that is how the rules in your area have been set up.

In my experience the AHJ is the state and the local inspectors are simply inspectors.

I think of it like the elected officials that write the laws and the police that enforce those rules.

The police do not get to write new laws, change the existing ones or look the other way :wink: when the laws as written by the elected officials are broken.

Yes the NEC says that the AHJ can be 'a' person, I doubt highly you will find many areas that function that way.

Do your inspectors adopt the NEC or does an AHJ adopt the code and if an AHJ adopts the code would they want the inspectors deciding which parts to enforce?

I have been told that the ultimate AHJ in my state is the Attorney General, I still do not know if that is correct.
 
iwire said:
I have been told that the ultimate AHJ in my state is the Attorney General, I still do not know if that is correct.
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Bob, I believe that is the case regarding licensing and permitting decisions, but that the Board of examiners is the "ultimate" for a code ruling which would take place during a formal appeal.

The Board of Fire Prevention Regulations will make a formal interpretation, although I'm not sure exactly how to contact them to submit.

John
 
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