Bedroom Switched Receptacles in lie of!

[hillbilly1]

In Lieu of means , if you do this you do not need to do that. So you do not need to use switched recpts if you have a switched lighting outlet. Also If the ceiling fan does not have a seperatly switched light it will not count as the light.

Oh boy-- here we go again.

Your a troublemaker Dennis!:lol:
A pull chain on the light kit of the fan, or even a keyless is acceptable in a bedroom. As Dennis said, there does not have to be a switch at the door.

 

[hillbilly1]

May work in some places but not in Ca as it would violate the energy code.

But the energy code is not the NEC.

 

[jxofaltrds]

I'm sorry but a switch is not an outlet.

That I get. The panel is the outlet.

404.8 Accessibility and Grouping.
(A) Location. All switches and circuit breakers used as
switches shall be located so that they may be operated from
a readily accessible place.

Accessible, Readily (Readily Accessible). Capable of being
reached quickly for operation,

Tell me how a breaker in the basement of a 2 story home allows for quick operation for the required lighting?

 

[don_resqcapt19]

That I get. The panel is the outlet.

No, a panel is not an outlet.

404.8 Accessibility and Grouping.
(A) Location. All switches and circuit breakers used as
switches shall be located so that they may be operated from
a readily accessible place.

Accessible, Readily (Readily Accessible). Capable of being
reached quickly for operation,

Tell me how a breaker in the basement of a 2 story home allows for quick operation for the required lighting?

Post the rest of the definition. There is nothing that says the wall switch for the required lighting outlet has to be able to be reached quickly from the location of the outlet.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

As I said-- here we go.......................... WhEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

What may not pass in an area has nothing, necessarily, to do with the code. Some inspectors try to enforce what they want to see not what the code req.

In reality no one will put a switch in the garage for the bedroom lights but it would be compliant. If you did this install you wouldn't get many jobs. Design is not supposed to be part of the nec so design usually will have a switch nearby the room. There is nothing requiring the switch to be a certain distance from the area it controls. Our state inspector totally agrees with me on this.

A switch is not an outlet nor is a panel -- look at the definition of outlet

 

[jxofaltrds]

So that box on the wall with a single switch in it is not an outlet?

No it is not


Roger

 

[roger]

Mike, I appologize, I editted your post by accident., I meant to quote you. :ashamed1:

Roger

 

[jxofaltrds]

Mike, I appologize, I editted your post by accident., I meant to quote you. :ashamed1:

Roger

it's OK ! Glad someone knows what I'm thinkin'

 

[jxofaltrds]

So we have a receptacle outlet, a lighting outlet, a smoke detector outlet but no switch outlet.

Correct?

 

[hillbilly1]

So we have a receptacle outlet, a lighting outlet, a smoke detector outlet but no switch outlet.

Correct?

It is a utilization point that is considered an outlet, the receptacle, lighting and smoke detectors are all utilization points, but a switch is just a control point, that is why it is not considered an "outlet"

 

[Smart $]

Hmmm...

210.70(A)(1) does say, "At least one wall switch?controlled lighting outlet shall be installed in every habitable room and bathroom." A panelboard-installed circuit breaker does not qualify as a wall switch.

 

[jxofaltrds]

It is a utilization point that is considered an outlet, the receptacle, lighting and smoke detectors are all utilization points, but a switch is just a control point, that is why it is not considered an "outlet"

Making sure. So I can put 50 switches in a bedroom to feed my outside lights, basement lights, garage lights and they do not have to be AFCI protected.

Correct?

 

[Sierrasparky]

(1) Habitable Rooms.​

At least one wall switch-controlledlighting outlet shall be installed in every habitable room​

and bathroom.

If you folks think that the CMP intended for the Wall switch to be controlled elsewhere you are nuts.


Look at :

Exception No.2: Lighting outlets shall be permitted to becontrolled by occupancy sensors that are​

(1) in addition towall switches or (2) located at a customary wall switchlocation and equipped with a manual override that will​

allow the sensor to function as a wall switch.



This is the way you interpet the rest of the code no wonder why there is such problems.

 

[jxofaltrds]

Hmmm...

210.70(A)(1) does say, "At least one wall switch?controlled lighting outlet shall be installed in every habitable room and bathroom." A panelboard-installed circuit breaker does not qualify as a wall switch.

I think that they are calling the breaker a "wall switch"!

 

[Smart $]

So we have a receptacle outlet, a lighting outlet, a smoke detector outlet but no switch outlet.

Correct?

Depends on the switch. If the switch qualifies as utilization equipment:

Utilization Equipment. Equipment that utilizes electric energy
for electronic, electromechanical, chemical, heating,
lighting, or similar purposes.

 

[Smart $]

I think that they are calling the breaker a "wall switch"!

...and I'm saying if the breaker is installed in a panelboard it is not a wall switch.

 

[jxofaltrds]

(1) Habitable Rooms.​

At least one wall switch-controlledlighting outlet shall be installed in every habitable room​

and bathroom.

If you folks think that the CMP intended for the Wall switch to be controlled elsewhere you are nuts.


Look at :

Exception No.2: Lighting outlets shall be permitted to becontrolled by occupancy sensors that are​

(1) in addition towall switches or (2) located at a customary wall switchlocation and equipped with a manual override that will​

allow the sensor to function as a wall switch.



This is the way you interpet the rest of the code no wonder why there is such problems.

Hate your font but good catch. "customary".

Now 10 more pages on customary!

 

[jxofaltrds]

...and I'm saying if the breaker is installed in a panelboard it is not a wall switch.

I agree. But it is "customarily" 'on the wall'

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Hmmm...

210.70(A)(1) does say, "At least one wall switch?controlled lighting outlet shall be installed in every habitable room and bathroom." A panelboard-installed circuit breaker does not qualify as a wall switch.

So what is the definition of a wall switch? It may not be their intent but IMO a CB is a wall switch. If the remote control is mounted to the wall is that a wall switch? What about a door jamb switch- it is not in the wall. Would a timer work? etc...

 

[hillbilly1]

(1) Habitable Rooms.​

At least one wall switch-controlledlighting outlet shall be installed in every habitable room​

and bathroom.

If you folks think that the CMP intended for the Wall switch to be controlled elsewhere you are nuts.


Look at :

Exception No.2: Lighting outlets shall be permitted to becontrolled by occupancy sensors that are​

(1) in addition towall switches or (2) located at a customary wall switchlocation and equipped with a manual override that will​

allow the sensor to function as a wall switch.



This is the way you interpet the rest of the code no wonder why there is such problems.

Wall switch controlled lighting outlet, yes, but it does not say the switch has to be in the room. It may not be the CMP intent, but that is the way it reads. Another change for another edition!