Before/after

[infinity]

I still don't see a chase nipple, I do see an offset nipple, however.

It's in the back of the panel (top/center) with all of the branch circuits coming through it.

 

[mjf]

Just curious

Just curious

Lower left, in the "before" photo, there is what appears to be a new EMT run with no wiring in it.

Just curious but,

Was it in place when you started this job?

Did you run it and then decide you had to replace panel?

Some other scenario?

 

[Buck Parrish]

The wire bending space does not appear to be adequate where the meter cables enter in to the panel.

Just my two cents

 

[yucan2]

The wire bending space does not appear to be adequate where the meter cables enter in to the panel.

Just my two cents

Some codes just seem to scream, ignore me, I'm flexible.

 

[stevenje]

No more room. HO needed to add another AC in this maxed out panel.

Now that it's a legitimate topic, has anyone ever run into another board member on the street? I ran into Vertex today at lunch. It was pretty cool. I took a late lunch @ 2:30 and stumbled into Panda Express, filthy dirty and beat down from this panel change. Paul recognized my truck and we BS'ed a bit before I had to go back and finish.

Don't forget your level! You know your going to need it tomorrow when you are working on the other side of town.

 

[satcom]

Is my vision going, or it the new panel, actually an older style under size box?

 

[buck33k]

Some codes just seem to scream, ignore me, I'm flexible.

Yes. 312.5(C) exception, might be one of those.

 

[sparks2000]

The wire bending space does not appear to be adequate where the meter cables enter in to the panel.

Just my two cents

Nice catch! I missed that one.

 

[satcom]

Nice catch! I missed that one.

That is why I said the new box looks like an older narrow style load center.

 

[220/221]

Lower left, in the "before" photo, there is what appears to be a new EMT run with no wiring in it.

That's what started the ball rolling. AC guy was trying to add a circuit. There were two blanks in the deadfront but no bus space. Apparently he didn't notice until he had run the pipe:roll: I put it back in the new panel for him.

He had the HO call us and I told him I'd replace the panel.

Was the water an electrode? The chase would need a bonding locknut in the very least IMO. But the opening although on the back - by the way the code is worded would need to be listed wet...

Water was electrode when installed. Ground rods are now electrodes. There are so many plastic water service pipes around here now that they don't even consider the water as an electrode. We always enter our panels in the back via chase nipple or, more often, plastic snap in bushing. Not NEC compliant but locally amended/compliant.

The wire bending space does not appear to be adequate where the meter cables enter in to the panel.

Now that you mention it, I believe you are correct. I appreciate the input.

Is my vision going, or it the new panel, actually an older style under size box?

Beats me? It was new, in the box. It measured close to the old one @ just over 14" if I remember correctly.

 

[Buck Parrish]

220/221 - I got to give you kudos (what ever they are) for posting photos of your work.
Some one once said it's like performing "a night at the Apollo"

 

[220/221]

I post them all the time at the other board. I generally learn something. If not about electrical work, about people.

 

[Buck Parrish]

I post them all the time at the other board. I generally learn something. If not about electrical work, about people.

I have got to figure out how to do it.
I can post a video no problem. What source do you use for your pics.

 

[220/221]

I use Photobucket.

1. Download a crapload of pics for free.

2. Copy the URL for the selected pic and paste it into the window that pops up when you click the picture icon above the post area ^

 

[Chamuit]

Sealing locknuts.

Sealing locknuts.

Beats me. What does it say? I used sealing locknuts/fittings everywhere except the chase nipple.

I'm interested in these sealing locknuts and fittings. What brand are they and where can you get them?

 

[mark32]

Apparently Arizona has their own rules. There should be a sealing locknut or myers hub on any pipe entry above a buss of a panel

Can someone point out the code article for the above statement?

 

[iwire]

Can someone point out the code article for the above statement?

Last sentence of 312.2

 

[220/221]

I'm interested in these sealing locknuts and fittings. What brand are they and where can you get them?

I'll have to check the brand. I'm sure all the supply houses have them. It's just a lacknut with some pliable plastic bonded to it. They are sometimes a pain to thread on but they are more stealthy than a meyers hub.

 

[Cow]

I think Thomas and Betts makes the ones we use.

 

[Chamuit]

Can someone point out the code article for the above statement?

2008 Article 312.2 Damp and Wet Locations
. . . For enclosures in wet locations, raceways or cables entering above the level of uninsulated live parts shall use fittings listed for wet locations.

The chase nipple in the center above the buss is a violation. The offset nipple with just a locknut and bond bushing would be also along with the three other pipes coming into the panel on the left. 220/221 says the are self sealing. My suppliers and I are waiting anxiously to see what brand these are.