Bid 4 fun.

[GG]

Im going to use the skills I picked up from Mike Holts estimating DVD to bid a job tonight. It is a 1050 sq. ft. hair salon w/ 6 boothes and 2 hair wash stations. Does anyone want to give me there figure and see how it compares to the estimate I come up with using Mr. Holts methods?
EC supplies : 1) 3P outdoor disco w/ fuses, 3P/200A meter base, 3P/200A indoor MB panel w/ 24 - 1pole 20A brkrs, 2 - 3pole 40A, 1 - 2 pole 35A. Need 120' 3/0 and 40' 2" conduit.
2) Ckts for RTU/40A, HWH/35A
3) 40 receptacles, 5 are GFCI.
4) install 12 2X4 Fl. lights, 5 - 8' Juno track lights, and exit lights. GC supplies all the lights and bulbs.
5) 100' cat5e phone cable in 3/4" stub ups.
Thats about it, Im going in.

[ August 08, 2005, 10:37 PM: Message edited by: GG ]

 

[celtic]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

Originally posted by GG:

EC supplies :

5) 100' cat5e phone cable in 3/4" stub ups.
Thats about it.

how many drops?

So far..
1) $3000
2) $300
3) $1300
4) $660
5)
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$5260

 

[GG]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

2 drops Celtic. Need anymore info?

 

[celtic]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

1) $3000
2) $300
3) $1300
4) $660
5) $200
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$5460 plus shipping and handeling (permits and fees)

One more ?...how many exits - no emer. lights?

[EDIT: Below]

GG...hold off on Mike's result until tom'row in the PM to give the "early to bed" people a chance to play.

[ August 08, 2005, 10:43 PM: Message edited by: celtic ]

 

[GG]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

4 emergency lights, 2 exit lights. Will do on the holding off until tommorow.

[ August 08, 2005, 10:50 PM: Message edited by: GG ]

 

[cselectric]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

1. $3000.00
2. $300.00
3. $1600.00
4. $775.00
5. $200.00
6. $450.00

Total: 6325.00 + permit fees

assuming no sign feeds, outside canopy lighting, show window recepts, IG recepts at the registers, or exhaust fans (all pretty common in a beauty shop.)

Also assuming the job is run in pipe, no romex or flex (fixture whips excepted.)

[ August 08, 2005, 11:29 PM: Message edited by: cselectric ]

 

[luke warmwater]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

I'm more in line with CS...

Except my #1 would be another $200, and my #2 would be another $150.

 

[celtic]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

Originally posted by celtic:
1) $3000
2) $300
3) $1300
4) $660
5) $200
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$5460 plus shipping and handeling (permits and fees)

One more ?...how many exits - no emer. lights?

Originally posted by GG:
4 emergency lights, 2 exit lights.

Add another $650 for emer/exit signage...supplied by others, all on one circuit

Total= $6110

 

[GG]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

I visited the job site today. The feeder from the service disco. to the salon panel is 170' of 2" EMT with 3/0. Does this change your prices much? For some reason I was thinking this job should go for around $10,000.00. Im having a hard time getting any commercial work, but yet I can get a 3 bedroom house rewire and panel up grade for $9000.00, and this salon looks like more material and labor. Im going to use Mr. Holts estimating book to see how the job bids out tonight, didnt get to it last night.

 

[cselectric]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

That info changes the equation drastically. Realistically, for the pipe and wire, your looking at about $3.50 per foot for materials, your cost. Then you have to add markup and labor. For kicks, I'll base my labor on this being a generally straight, exposed pipe run. If this is incorrect, the numbers necessarily change.
But, based on that, you can add about $2200.00 to my original bid number.

While were adding things to the bid, it would appear that this is a real project. Therefore, I would be comfortable adding $100 for the sign circuit, and $225 for the code required show window recepts. (I assumed three.) Thus bringing the grand total to $8850.00.

[ August 09, 2005, 07:23 PM: Message edited by: cselectric ]

 

[celtic]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

Originally posted by GG:
The feeder from the service disco. to the salon panel is 170' of 2" EMT with 3/0.
Does this change your prices much?

Sure it does..we went from a 40' run to a 170' foot run..almost a 4 fold increase.
Where will this run be?
inside/outside
how high..
obstructions in the way
etc etc etc.

 

[iwire]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

Originally posted by cselectric:
Also assuming the job is run in pipe, no romex or flex (fixture whips excepted.)

Sorry to go off topic here but I am curious why you would bid it as pipe unless instructed to by the specs?

My first thought was MC, and in MA maybe even NM.

Heck depending on where the 200 amp feeder is run (concealed or exposed) we might do the 200 amp feeder in MC as well.

 

[cselectric]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

Originally posted by iwire:

Originally posted by cselectric:
Also assuming the job is run in pipe, no romex or flex (fixture whips excepted.)

Sorry to go off topic here but I am curious why you would bid it as pipe unless instructed to by the specs?

My first thought was MC, and in MA maybe even NM.

Heck depending on where the 200 amp feeder is run (concealed or exposed) we might do the 200 amp feeder in MC as well.

I've been in Chicago bid mode for the last several days. In Chicago, it will be in pipe, no other method is legal by Chicago code. Outside of Chicago, I generally try to bid for pipe and wire as I despise MC cable and loathe NM even moreso. Nothing against those who use such methods, I think it's just that I spent too many years in Chicago. I see nothing really wrong with either method, from a safety or performance standpoint. I just hate working with the stuff... hate the oil on MC jackets and hate the fact that NM is all solid wire (speaking of things that I loathe.) Whats more, the old service tech in me hates the fact that neither MC nor NM allow for easy circuit adds later. Call me too set in my ways, you'd likely be right.

[ August 09, 2005, 07:31 PM: Message edited by: cselectric ]

 

[iwire]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

Originally posted by cselectric:
I've been in Chicago bid mode for the last several days.

Say no more, I understand.

I like running pipe but few customers want to pay extra for pipe when MC is allowed.

 

[iwire]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

I just hate working with the stuff... hate the oil on MC jackets and hate the fact that NM is all solid wire (speaking of things that I loathe.)

Well we use solid 10/8 IG MC (6 hots, 2 neut. 2 Grds) all the time, I guess you would really hate that.

 

[blackrd]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

I figure $10 a square ft for a tenant build out, and that puts you at around 10500 to do this yob. Is the structure new or a remodel of existing facility?

 

[celtic]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

Originally posted by iwire:
Well we use solid 10/8 IG MC (6 hots, 2 neut. 2 Grds) all the time, I guess you would really hate that.

I'm with CS on this...I hate most flavors except pipe and wire ~ the bigger the better, the more nasty the location the better..guess I'm a glutton for punishment .

You can have your 10/8..and it's juicy mess of oil....I'd rather be in a ditch in the winter with 6" RGS and a hand threader... LMAO.

 

[iwire]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

Originally posted by celtic:
You can have your 10/8..and it's juicy mess of oil....I'd rather be in a ditch in the winter with 6" RGS and a hand threader... LMAO.

You are truly a sick man.

I will stick to working in environmentally controlled locations as much as possible.

 

[cselectric]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

Well we use solid 10/8 IG MC (6 hots, 2 neut. 2 Grds) all the time, I guess you would really hate that.
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Absolutely. Though you can order the same configuration through AFC with stranded wire and an aluminum outer jacket. I'm no fan of MC, but when cost considerations require it and code allows it, I will use it... but only with aluminum jacket and stranded conductors.

 

[cselectric]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

Originally posted by celtic:

Originally posted by iwire:
Well we use solid 10/8 IG MC (6 hots, 2 neut. 2 Grds) all the time, I guess you would really hate that.

I'm with CS on this...I hate most flavors except pipe and wire ~ the bigger the better, the more nasty the location the better..guess I'm a glutton for punishment .

You can have your 10/8..and it's juicy mess of oil....I'd rather be in a ditch in the winter with 6" RGS and a hand threader... LMAO.

Next time I've got parallell 4" RMC's to run underground, I'm giving you a call. It's hard to find someone willing to jump onboard when I've got the 881CT bender and the mule threader fired up.