Bid 4 fun.

[iwire]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

Originally posted by cselectric:
Next time I've got parallell 4" RMC's to run underground, I'm giving you a call. It's hard to find someone willing to jump onboard when I've got the 881CT bender and the mule threader fired up.

Although I am sure I could learn lot of tricks in working with a 'vet'.

The largest I have handled in a trench has been 5" RMC, but we also rent a Lull to do the heavy work.

 

[iwire]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

Originally posted by cselectric:
Though you can order the same configuration through AFC with stranded wire and an aluminum outer jacket.

Yes, AFC is our main supplier of MC, they are located near by we certainly could get stranded.


One reason we do not is job specs, I would say 90% of our jobs specify solid conductors and steel flex.

 

[cselectric]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

Originally posted by iwire:
I'm in, just cause we don't run it much does not mean I can not.

Although I am sure I could learn lot of tricks in working with a 'vet'.

The largest I have handled in a trench has been 5" RMC, but we also rent a Lull to do the heavy work.

I'm sure you could find "vets" out there with a lot more experience than I. But I can hold my own and I have seen enough RMC that I have a set of strap wrenches in my bag. Do quite a bit of that sort of thing in Chicago, when the spec calls for the gear to be 300' from the service drop and the POCO is coming in overhead (outdoor disconnects are frowned upon in Chicago.) It's not the trench that kills, it's the vertical riser at the end of the trench

 

[celtic]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

Originally posted by cselectric:
]Next time I've got parallell 4" RMC's to run underground, I'm giving you a call.

No problem...just make sure there is snow/rain/hail/ pots and pans in the forecast.

I'll help run the pipe ONLY if I get to help pull the wire too. Hope there is a swampy manhole or two...the "prima-donnas" can terminate it ~ unless it outdoors (or "indoors" with no windows or doors or heat source).

 

[GG]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

The prints show 40' wire/conduit, and the actual job site is going to need 170' of wire/conduit. Guess the GC was trying to be slick. The 170' run will be indoors 20' high. The salon space is wide open, just 4 walls and a slab already there.

 

[cselectric]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

Originally posted by celtic:
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No problem...just make sure there is snow/rain/hail/ pots and pans in the forecast.

I'll help run the pipe ONLY if I get to help pull the wire too. Hope there is a swampy manhole or two...the "prima-donnas" can terminate it ~ unless it outdoors (or "indoors" with no windows or doors or heat source). [/QB][/QUOTE]

You're one of those hard core, old school hands, aren't ya'?

Of course you can be there to pull the 500's. You sound like the right guy to pull cable when I've got a 25' vertical riser on the end of an underground run. You can either feed the cable from the extension ladder, or haul the tugger motor up there and rig it to the riser. Both options are lots of fun... especially in 30 mph wind and sub zero windchills.

 

[cselectric]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

Originally posted by GG:
The prints show 40' wire/conduit, and the actual job site is going to need 170' of wire/conduit. Guess the GC was trying to be slick. The 170' run will be indoors 20' high. The salon space is wide open, just 4 walls and a slab already there.

And so the dilemma arises.

Do you bid it for 170? That seems logical, but will probably cause you to lose the job to a lower bidder.

Or, do you bid it for the 40' on print and stick them for the extra later? A lot of guys would play that game, and it is likely what you need to do to get the job. But, any GC greasy enough to mark a 170 foot feeder run as 40' is also greasy enough to have a print notation holding the EC "responsible for verifying print against actual site conditions."

I'd bid it for 170, and clearly note the discrepancy on my proposal. It requies a bit of salesmanship to play it that way, but in the long run it protects all parties involved.

 

[celtic]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

Originally posted by cselectric:


You're one of those hard core, old school hands, aren't ya'?

No, I'm just stupid...LOL. j/k
I've worked outdoors for so long, I HATE to be inside putzing with outlets and lay-in fixtures.
I'm not old (40ish) although I can be quite stubborn.

Originally posted by cselectric:

Of course you can be there to pull the 500's. You sound like the right guy to pull cable when I've got a 25' vertical riser on the end of an underground run. You can either feed the cable from the extension ladder, or haul the tugger motor up there and rig it to the riser. Both options are lots of fun... especially in 30 mph wind and sub zero windchills.

How about we hang a wheel above that 25' mark (say 35') and mount the tugger on the deck (or other secure point)?

 

[cselectric]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

Originally posted by celtic:

How about we hang a wheel above that 25' mark (say 35') and mount the tugger on the deck (or other secure point)?

Oh sure, do it the easy way why don't ya?

 

[celtic]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

Originally posted by cselectric:
Oh sure, do it the easy way why don't ya?

Work smarter not harder

 

[luke warmwater]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

Originally posted by celtic:
How about we hang a wheel above that 25' mark (say 35') and mount the tugger on the deck (or other secure point)?

Did you ever have the pleasure of the boss leaving it up to some know-it-all suck up to install the anchors, only to have them rip right out of the floor?

 

[GG]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

The numbers are in. $12,900.00. Thats all the bells and whistles.

[ August 10, 2005, 12:54 AM: Message edited by: GG ]

 

[iwire]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

Originally posted by luke warmwater:
Did you ever have the pleasure of the boss leaving it up to some know-it-all suck up to install the anchors, only to have them rip right out of the floor?

 

[celtic]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

Originally posted by iwire:
You are truly a sick man.

Originally posted by luke warmwater:

Did you ever have the pleasure of the boss leaving it up to some know-it-all suck up to install the anchors, only to have them rip right out of the floor?

I love that guy (the know-it-all suck-up)...even on my darkest day I am better than his brightest moment...LOL...the more mistakes HE makes, the better I look.
I was on this night job in an office building...for some reason, it was decided we needed to remove the wires from a 4" RGS IN a closed ceiling. The suck-ups all stood around "engineering" this feat...I grabbed a ladder and a light and went in..."gimme a Hilti"...drilled a few holes..."gimme the anchors....gimme the tugger" "gimme a sling and a wheel" . At least these "engineers" handed me stuff. Later on, the foreman says to me "Why is it everytime I look around you are always working?" I said - You want it done, right?
I think we might be still standing there if I hadn't gone "in" LOL.

 

[celtic]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

Originally posted by celtic:

Originally posted by celtic:
1) $3000
2) $300
3) $1300
4) $660
5) $200
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$5460 plus shipping and handeling (permits and fees)

One more ?...how many exits - no emer. lights?

Originally posted by GG:
4 emergency lights, 2 exit lights.

Add another $650 for emer/exit signage...supplied by others, all on one circuit

Total= $6110

Originally posted by GG:
The prints show 40' wire/conduit, and the actual job site is going to need 170' of wire/conduit. Guess the GC was trying to be slick. The 170' run will be indoors 20' high.

Add another 3.5k for that pipe job...including a lift rental.
6110
3500
$9610 + permits

Maybe I should buy Mike's program?

 

[cselectric]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

Originally posted by luke warmwater:

Originally posted by celtic:
How about we hang a wheel above that 25' mark (say 35') and mount the tugger on the deck (or other secure point)?

Did you ever have the pleasure of the boss leaving it up to some know-it-all suck up to install the anchors, only to have them rip right out of the floor?

Ah yes, that guy. He's always worth a few laughs. Until someone lets him run the tugger and he lets the rope cross itself on the capstan and bind, which is not a laughing matter

 

[luke warmwater]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

Yeah.
Alot of good the 2-way radio does at that point when it's siting beside you on the floor.

And, how come the grease monkey always seems to be pulling double duty as the radio guy too?

 

[cselectric]

Re: Bid 4 fun.

Originally posted by luke warmwater:
Yeah.
Alot of good the 2-way radio does at that point when it's siting beside you on the floor.

And, how come the grease monkey always seems to be pulling double duty as the radio guy too?

Because the grease monkey is also the mouth man, and therefore he is the man who has to call the tugger operator for a shut off after he slips up and lets the cable insulation get peeled off by some sharp edge or another. Working the mouth of the fitting is, quite possibly, the most critical position in a cable crew, yet it's always the greenest rookie that gets that job.