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TwinCitySparky

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Minnesota
Retrofitting 200 fixtures this week from T-12 to T-8.

What exactly is the black oily mess spewing from some of these 30 to 40 year old ballasts.

I've read about it before but cant recall.
 

shockin

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Not sure aboout what the substance does for sure. I assume it is tar that encapsulates the coils.

I do know that a ballast that old almost certainly contains PCB's. You will need to dispose of them in an improved manor. It usually costs about $3 per ballast for the hazardus waste guy to take them.
 

TwinCitySparky

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Minnesota
Probly safe to say wash your hands after exposure then?:-?

I recall some threads about guys dipping thier arm up to thier shoulder to service/adjust old transformers. He was an old timer I believe. :smile:
 

COFFEE TIME

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PHILA PA
Retrofitting 200 fixtures this week from T-12 to T-8.

What exactly is the black oily mess spewing from some of these 30 to 40 year old ballasts.

I've read about it before but cant recall.


if you look on the back of the ballast you will see the date.(year of ballast). get a pair of gloves to throw away.
 

480sparky

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Iowegia
Prior to the 1970s, some ballasts - particularly those used to control "High-Output" lamps - contained PCBs. PCBs were a group of compounds with electrical insulating properties, and were found in transformers and other electrical devices. PCBs are also carcinogens, and their use in electrical equipment has been banned since the 1970s, but a ballast made before this date could contain this compound. In these older ballast designs, the PCB compounds could leak out of a ballast if it is overheated or if the ballast case is physically damaged. Newer ballasts are usually marked "NO PCBs" to indicate that they don't contain these compounds even if older models from that manufacturer didn't have any PCBs either.

If a ballast is leaking a clear or light colored oil, it may indicate the presence of PCBs. If the model number and manufacturers name are still on the ballast, contact them and ask if the ballast contained PCBs. The call centers of all ballast manufacturers have the answer to this question for all of their older ballast models. In some companies, you will be transferred to the product safety group of that company who will assist you. If you can't find out if the ballast contains PCBs or find out that it definitely does, wear gloves and clean up the oil with disposable towels. Then replace the ballast with a modern one. The clean-up materials, the old ballast and the gloves should be sent to a hazardous material handler for proper disposal.
 

raider1

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Logan, Utah
Would you believe its purpose is to create a smell to alert you to a ballast going bad?

That black goo does a great job of that.

It seems like your hands smell like that goo for a couple of days after changing a ballast, even if you scrub them with Lava soap.:)

Chris
 

Duke E

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Location
Washington
Would you believe its purpose is to create a smell to alert you to a ballast going bad?
:confused:
I would have thought that the lost of light output would have been enough of an indicator of a fixture in need of repair. I pity those working in an open office setting with ballasts approaching the end of their life expectancy.
 

mxslick

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Location
SE Idaho
There are few things that smell worse that ballast potting compound burning. A combination of moldy tuna, nasty sneakers and burning tar. :D A burned-out pole top transformer is almost as bad....

The PCB's in ballasts are primarily in the capacitors, AFAIK the potting compound itself never had any deliberate PCB content.
 

TwinCitySparky

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Location
Minnesota
60 fixtures done since Wed. Handled 480 tubes. Burned thru 7 pairs of gloves today. Nothing like tearing apart troughers in a busy (unemployment office) with people working below.

I just tried to figure out how many trips up and down the ladder that was. :-? Suddenly I'm feeling very tired.
 

TwinCitySparky

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Location
Minnesota
Boss bid the job, building owner requested the level of work to be performed. I can only assume 200 four lamp 4' fixtures cost a small fortune to entirely replace. The "green" plan was to replace only the 2 ballasts and lamps that each fixture has with one electronic T-8 ballast and lamps. I agree, some of those ugly yellowed diffusers definetly should be tossed. Nothing like swapping out the guts of one then look back and hey! still looks like the crappy old T-12's.:rolleyes:

The frustrating thing is, all the fixtures looked the same from the ground but there are actually 5 different brands up there. Kinda trips up progress for the first 50. Some of the replaced ballasts are clearly GE - most only have a fractured crispy unintellegable remnant of a label left.

Boss thought I could swap out maybe 6 per hour. Ya right... :cool:
 
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