Blank cover on empty box

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Can't afford to put one on? :smile:

I don't see any reason why it needs one, since it's not being used. But I'd put one on it no matter what. But that's just me.
 
480sparky said:
Even with no firewalls that the raceway(s) go through?
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I think they just made a rule that all j-boxes must be closed so they dont have to know if something is live, abandoned, low voltage, or just a pull string for future use.
 
I would put a cover on the box if the conduit goes to a live panel or j-box with live conductors. To me, if the conduit goes to a live panel or j-box with live conductors, that makes it part of the raceway system. I do not know a code reference without looking it up.
 
nakulak said:
where exactly does it say that it doesn't apply to covers ?
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Where does it say it refers to covers? I don't see the word "Cover" anywhere in there. It says "Unused cable or raceway openings..."
 
480sparky said:
Where does it say it refers to covers? I don't see the word "Cover" anywhere in there. It says "Unused cable or raceway openings..."
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Would not a box on a conduit going to a panel be an opening in a raceway?
 
110.12 A in '08 uses the word plates- it's not grey highlighted so I assume that '05 has similar wording.
And I know this is talking about its' specific use with plastic boxes. But if they have to specify metal plates use with plastic then wouldn't that mean that metal plates are assumed used on metal boxes?
All that to say - plates equal covers?
 
I still would be hard-pressed to call that 4"x4" opening on a 4"x4" box a "cable or raceway opening". The little circles on the sides & back, yes.
 
480sparky said:
I still would be hard-pressed to call that 4"x4" opening on a 4"x4" box a "cable or raceway opening". The little circles on the sides & back, yes.
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In '08 they do not specify cable or raceway opening they just say Unused Opening.
The front of a box not filled with a device is an unused opening.
 
alfiesauce said:
In '08 they do not specify cable or raceway opening they just say Unused Opening.
The front of a box not filled with a device is an unused opening.
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Guess I'll start responding with the '08 when it's adopted. :cool:
 
stickboy1375 said:
What about the screw holes in the box? They need to be filled also? :D
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2002 NECH said:
In the 2002 Code, 110.12(A) has been revised by changing the phrase unused openings to unused cable or raceway openings to clarify that openings such as weep holes are not required to be closed up. In addition, text from 370.18 of the 1999 NEC has been moved to the end of 110.12(A). (The reorganization of Chapter 3 in the 2002 NEC moved Article 370 to Article 314.)
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Totally unenforceable.
 
scwirenut said:
is their code that requires a 4"sq on a empty (future) conduit system to have a cover
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How about 314.25?

I guess the question is that, without conductors installed, does this count as a "completed installation"?
 
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