Blank Face GFCI

winnie said:
Also: blank face GFCIs are really the best tool for this job. Ask the customer exactly what they don't like about the idea. Perhaps they just don't want to see the GFCI, or perhaps they specifically want the neat row of 4 toggle switches.

Pry a bit to understand what they actually want, and then sell them that.
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They might be OK with it if you can mount it in an inconspicuous location.
 
curt swartz said:
No they don't. The Crouse HInds distribution equipment was sold to Siemens in the 90's. Eaton's purchase of Cooper happened long after that.
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OK. I see where Siemens bought Crouse and made it Murray. Meh. I guess Siemens would be the right breaker... But I'm a rebel, I wouldn't blink about putting in a BR.
 
curt swartz said:
No they don't. The Crouse HInds distribution equipment was sold to Siemens in the 90's. Eaton's purchase of Cooper happened long after that.
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I knew I wasn't crazy. I dug around in my junk pile and found a Crouse Hinds panel cover. It lists the following:

Crouse Hinds Co. type MP, MM, EP
Bryant type BRD, BRO, BAR, BR, GFCB
Westinghouse type QP, QPGF
ITE type EQP, QF
 
LarryFine said:
Remember, guys, it's about breaker type, not (necessarily) about brand.
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Correct.

I have not purchased and Siemens breakers recently to see how they are marked but if you look up a spec sheet for a Siemens breaker they are shown as Type QP and Type MP.

Eaton actually marks their breakers as Type BR (Bryant) and Type C (Challenger)
 
CoolWill said:
I knew I wasn't crazy. I dug around in my junk pile and found a Crouse Hinds panel cover. It lists the following:

Crouse Hinds Co. type MP, MM, EP
Bryant type BRD, BRO, BAR, BR, GFCB
Westinghouse type QP, QPGF
ITE type EQP, QF
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The older Crouse-Hinds loadcenters were listed for multiple manufactures. Later they were primary listed for just their own.

Crouse-Hinds was my main residential manufacture for a few years in the late 80's/early 90's. Prior to that is was Challenger. Prior to Challenger is was GE.

Other than the recent name change from GE to ABB the breakers designs and types have remained the same for GE. The buyouts, name changes and breaker redesigns have been confusing for other "brands".
 
In regards to bath fans, we’ve been installing Panasonics lately. The Panasonic fan and lights have a neutral for both the fan and the light. My guys have been wiring it two different ways. From the two gang that fed from one circuit one guy will bring a 14-3 up to the fan and light, and the other will bring two 14-2’s. They have been debating which way is better even both ways work. I told them I’d throw it on the forum. Which do you prefer?
 
Jimmy7 said:
The gfci by the basin is on a 20 amp circuit, it does not power anything else in the bathroom. I’m not sure if there are other bathrooms throughout the house having their receptacles fed from this circuit. All of the lighting is on its 15 amp circuit in this bathroom.
In regards to the blank face gfci, the homeowner didn’t like it and asked to come up with another idea. Homeowners are difficult sometimes.
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If you show them cost differences of the other ideas they may or may not accept the blank face GFCI. If money doesn't matter then why not upgrade the panel to one of your choosing that is easy to get breakers for ;)
 
curt swartz said:
The older Crouse-Hinds loadcenters were listed for multiple manufactures. Later they were primary listed for just their own.

Crouse-Hinds was my main residential manufacture for a few years in the late 80's/early 90's. Prior to that is was Challenger. Prior to Challenger is was GE.

Other than the recent name change from GE to ABB the breakers designs and types have remained the same for GE. The buyouts, name changes and breaker redesigns have been confusing for other "brands".
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Has ABB rebranded GE products or do they still carry GE names?

That would be sort of like Schneider still carries the Square D name and product lines.They slowly have changed some the other secondary brands that used to be part of the Square D brand like Telemechanique, only one I can think of at the moment but think there were a few others, and those now just have the Schneider name on them.

Eaton held Cutler Hammer for some time before eventually that name sort of went away. Even when they acquired the Westinghouse product lines they were labeling those with Cutler Hammer name at first. But eventually that just changed to Eaton, though things like CH or BR series names were kept.
 
kwired said:
Has ABB rebranded GE products or do they still carry GE names?
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More to the point, are they retaining the type designations, so GE and ABB can be mixed?

I would hate to have to tell a customer they need a new panel to replace one breaker.
 
LarryFine said:
More to the point, are they retaining the type designations, so GE and ABB can be mixed?

I would hate to have to tell a customer they need a new panel to replace one breaker.
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I would sort of hope so. Not that I ever was a big fan of GE panels or controls. But there have been worse ones out there, they are good enough to remain in the mix of what is available I guess.
 
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