James L
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- Kansas Cty, Mo, USA
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- Electrician
Blue staples
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SSDriver
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- California
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- Electrician
The manufactures instructions state they are for "Securing up to two cables". That being said your install looks good. I find it a little ridiculous. If you could support/hold 4 like that I would think they are at the very least good for 3 cables.
electrofelon
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- Electrician
The ones I use just say "for securing multiple NM cables" and are not listed. Staples are not required to be listed. I see the briscons ARE listed so then yes technically you have to follow the instructions included with the listing or labeling.
kwired
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That the issue I have when they try to say you can't do this or that in this particular area of discussion.
Yes there are listed staples and I guess technically you need to follow the instructions in the listing, or the other option is to use a staple that has no listing and with those you can do about anything you want.
Makes sense right?
My case was for securing MC cable. Used to use "stackers" for NM to secure MC cables. Did so for around 20 years and same inspector that never said anything all of a sudden one day says "they are not listed for that". So now instead of using a staple that you really have to try to "over drive" I now use the non listed wire type staples that you have to try a little harder to not "over drive"
farmantenna
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manufacturers ul instructions. Blue for only one cable. Red for two. it's on the bucket. Does anyone adhere to this? No, definitely not. Only one inspector here ,Cape Cod Mass, has enforced it. my friend had to restaple entire house with Reds. Yeah, that's much better. Ahole
electrofelon
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- Cherry Valley NY, Seattle, WA
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- Electrician
See post #23. Not only do the ones I use not give a cable quantity, but If you read 110.3 carefully then, IMO, if a product is not listed you do not need to follow the instructions.
iustacould
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- Lexington, South Carolina
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- Lead Electrical Contractor
Pull the plastic shield and ask him to give you the specs on “metal” staples. Lol. These AHJs give me hassle as well but I’ve been able to get an “exception” note on the RI by some good ole boy talk with a fake laugh thrown in here and there. If it doesn’t qualify as an unsafe practice what’s wrong with it? Sorry you’re going through this bud.
ptonsparky
Tom
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- EC - retired
Well back in post #4 I was bragging up my guys. We have a new State Electrical director and for some reason the standard black cable tie with a load rating is no longer acceptable. It can’t loop through a staple, then around the cables. It must have the eyelet with a nail or screw securing it.
kwired
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- NE Nebraska
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- EC
James L
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- Kansas Cty, Mo, USA
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- Electrician
I thought that was a little wonky when I first read that. Seems I tried that about 25 years ago and got failed the first time
ptonsparky
Tom
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- EC - retired
You could have kept the guy down there.
kwired
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- NE Nebraska
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- EC
Something that is overlooked by inspectors as a general rule, many rather get into all the minor details just so they can have something to be right about, when really all that matters is don't damage the cable, and keep it from being sandwiched between framing member and wall covering.
mikeames
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- Gaithersburg MD
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- Teacher - Master Electrician - 2017 NEC
Maybe you can use needle nose and just rip the blue plastic out while leaving the staple. Then show him the box of plain bare unlisted metal staples. I never uses insulated or plastic staples. Personally they are PITA for me. I never drive my staple tight either. Two ticks with a hammer to set it and one strike to sink it and done.
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