Bonding Metal Siding
- Thread starter Zifkwong
- Start date
- Status
marinesgt0411
Senior Member
- Location
- Naples,FL 34110-9285
Re: Bonding Metal Siding
I can see it now we have to bond all the metal studs and the metal track the studs are screwed to because you cannot use sheet metal screws as a bonding means because our metal boxes are screwed to the metal studs and they may become energized if there is a short in the metal box.
There is NO such thing as COMMON sense.
I can see it now we have to bond all the metal studs and the metal track the studs are screwed to because you cannot use sheet metal screws as a bonding means because our metal boxes are screwed to the metal studs and they may become energized if there is a short in the metal box.
There is NO such thing as COMMON sense.
ryan_618
Senior Member
- Location
- Salt Lake City, Utah
Re: Bonding Metal Siding
I would bet someone has done it when it is close to a swimming pool. I would keep checking responses here, we may all get surprised.
I would bet someone has done it when it is close to a swimming pool. I would keep checking responses here, we may all get surprised.
pierre
Senior Member
- Location
- Westchester County, New York
Re: Bonding Metal Siding
Think about the way the siding is interlocked. How would one go about actually bonding the siding, so all of the siding is bonded?
The real question is ... what is the need?
Think about the way the siding is interlocked. How would one go about actually bonding the siding, so all of the siding is bonded?
The real question is ... what is the need?
jimwalker
Senior Member
- Location
- TAMPA FLORIDA
Re: Bonding Metal Siding
Plenty of ways you could do it but i don't know of any that meet nec shots of a lug with bolt and a nut.Why are you doing this ?
Plenty of ways you could do it but i don't know of any that meet nec shots of a lug with bolt and a nut.Why are you doing this ?
- Location
- Illinois
- Occupation
- retired electrician
Re: Bonding Metal Siding
There is no real metal to metal path in a typical siding installation. If you want or need to bond the siding, you would have to bond each and every piece.
Don
There is no real metal to metal path in a typical siding installation. If you want or need to bond the siding, you would have to bond each and every piece.
Don
Re: Bonding Metal Siding
An electrician was drilling a hole in metal siding one time and wound up drilling through a wire this did not cause the circuit breaker to trip but it did cause the siding to become energized. The reason I know that it was energized was because an arc develope at one of the gutter connections. I was just curious if anybody ever tried to bond metal siding and what methods they used to do it?
Would the FPN in 250.116 apply to metal siding with lights mounted to it?
An electrician was drilling a hole in metal siding one time and wound up drilling through a wire this did not cause the circuit breaker to trip but it did cause the siding to become energized. The reason I know that it was energized was because an arc develope at one of the gutter connections. I was just curious if anybody ever tried to bond metal siding and what methods they used to do it?
Would the FPN in 250.116 apply to metal siding with lights mounted to it?
ramsy
NoFixNoPay Electric
- Location
- LA basin, CA
- Occupation
- Service Electrician 2020 NEC
Re: Bonding Metal Siding
If you live in trailer park in Florida, where your neighbors get struck by lightning, you might be a red neck..
But, you might also be interested in NFPA 780 and UL 96A.
If you live in a dwelling with aluminum siding, you might be a red neck..
If you live in trailer park in Florida, where your neighbors get struck by lightning, you might be a red neck..
But, you might also be interested in NFPA 780 and UL 96A.
NFPA - Fire from on High (Roof Level)
electricmanscott
Senior Member
- Location
- Boston, MA
- Occupation
- Massachusetts Master Electrician, one man show.
Re: Bonding Metal Siding
There is no requirement, need or reasonable way to bond metal siding other than installing it on a steel building that is effectively bonded.
As far as bonding siding within five feet of a pool it would be required but I bet when done it would not be done correctly.
Well that answers the metal siding question.
There is no requirement, need or reasonable way to bond metal siding other than installing it on a steel building that is effectively bonded.
As far as bonding siding within five feet of a pool it would be required but I bet when done it would not be done correctly.
Re: Bonding Metal Siding
There is one jurisdiction in our area that decided to require that metal siding be bonded to the service equipement. The problem was that they forgot to insert the word "metal" in the requirement. The requirement simply said that on a dwelling the siding must be bonded.... I was in a meeting with a fellow who was furious because a job had just failed inspection because the vinyl siding was not "bonded"! He asked, "what am I supposed to use, a non-metallic lug?"!
There is one jurisdiction in our area that decided to require that metal siding be bonded to the service equipement. The problem was that they forgot to insert the word "metal" in the requirement. The requirement simply said that on a dwelling the siding must be bonded.... I was in a meeting with a fellow who was furious because a job had just failed inspection because the vinyl siding was not "bonded"! He asked, "what am I supposed to use, a non-metallic lug?"!
LarryFine
Master Electrician Electric Contractor Richmond VA
- Location
- Henrico County, VA
- Occupation
- Electrical Contractor
Re: Bonding Metal Siding
How's that?
Thatthatthat.Originally posted by Jhr:
Try saying that three times real fast
How's that?
sparkslord
Member
Re: Bonding Metal Siding
In my area they are requiring bonding of ALL metal parts around pools and hot tubs. This includes gutters, windows, doors, siding, and of all things door thresholds.
In my area they are requiring bonding of ALL metal parts around pools and hot tubs. This includes gutters, windows, doors, siding, and of all things door thresholds.
paul
Senior Member
- Location
- Snohomish, WA
Re: Bonding Metal Siding
Their reason being was that they didn't want any EMF's in the room and the foil backed rock on the metal studs wasn't enough, I guess. :roll:
There wasn't any metal in that place that wasn't bonded back the the MGB.
Don't laugh too much on that. We had to do that on a job about 10 years ago. It was for an internet POP site. The bldg had raised floor and underneath we had to tear out the sheetrock at all corners and bond around them with #8 awg jumpers with T&B 2-hold lugs through bolted into the studs. I just LMAO when I hear the EE wanted that done. Okay, here's your change order.
Their reason being was that they didn't want any EMF's in the room and the foil backed rock on the metal studs wasn't enough, I guess. :roll:
There wasn't any metal in that place that wasn't bonded back the the MGB.
- Location
- Wisconsin
- Occupation
- PE (Retired) - Power Systems
Re: Bonding Metal Siding
How do you bond the metal screws in a wooden deck?
How do you bond the metal screws in a wooden deck?
Re: Bonding Metal Siding
I KNEW Larry would do that, AGAIN!
You exothermic weld a #500 Kcmil lug to each screw and run a # 1/0 bonding jumper to each screw, making sure that the D in deck does not interfere with the conductivity of the 1/0 bonding jumper, then you wake up from this goofy dream and find yourself coming back late from your 30 minute lunch break
- Status