I may be making too much of this, but I have been reading about bonding (yes I looked at 680.26) and I believe I understand why we would want to bond an inground pool. However, I am wiring a 23ft, 42 inch deep ABOVE ground pool pump and I don't see any reason to do more then ground the pump motor to the panel (GFI). The instructions just say 'bond it to the pool.' Any advice?
Bonding Pools
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kevinware
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Frank,
Meaning no disrespect but are you an electrician? Pool grounding and bonding can get a little complicated?
Meaning no disrespect but are you an electrician? Pool grounding and bonding can get a little complicated?
Not the answer I hoped for
Not the answer I hoped for
I'm an engineer and no offense taken. I was hoping to keep this one simple due to the type of pool. The manufacturer said grounding via normal methods was fine and tha bonding was not required for this above ground pool. I was hoping to get some expert confirmation, so you answer troubles me. Is there any additional info that I could provide to simplify the question / answer?
Not the answer I hoped for
I'm an engineer and no offense taken. I was hoping to keep this one simple due to the type of pool. The manufacturer said grounding via normal methods was fine and tha bonding was not required for this above ground pool. I was hoping to get some expert confirmation, so you answer troubles me. Is there any additional info that I could provide to simplify the question / answer?
kevinware
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Frank,
All I was trying to find out was how experienced you were. The NEC stipulates two types of pools "Permanently installed" and "Storable". The two different kinds of pools require two different kinds of installation and an understanding of grounding and bonding. They are different.
All I was trying to find out was how experienced you were. The NEC stipulates two types of pools "Permanently installed" and "Storable". The two different kinds of pools require two different kinds of installation and an understanding of grounding and bonding. They are different.
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Frank I know that I am going to get jumped on by every male in this forum but you need to read the installation book that came with the pool. It will contain some very valuable information.
Now fellow male forum members I know that we are able to build swing sets, bicycles and such other kid toys with out a book and I also know that we are never lost as long as we are breathing, but, this is a pool.
Now fellow male forum members I know that we are able to build swing sets, bicycles and such other kid toys with out a book and I also know that we are never lost as long as we are breathing, but, this is a pool.
bonding above ground pools
bonding above ground pools
Here in Mass Inspectors have always made me bond every other upright on the pool and end at the pool laddder if it is medal forming a big loop all the way around the pool. It is very easy I just run #8 lugs enough for every other upright and slide them down the # 8 solid bare grounding wire and drill the bottom lip on uprights and nut and bolt. I walk away sleeping at night that I complied and there is a good bond. Would you jeapordize your childrens lives in the pool. Better safe than sorry is my motto. Lazieness costs way more in this world than a little extra.
bonding above ground pools
Here in Mass Inspectors have always made me bond every other upright on the pool and end at the pool laddder if it is medal forming a big loop all the way around the pool. It is very easy I just run #8 lugs enough for every other upright and slide them down the # 8 solid bare grounding wire and drill the bottom lip on uprights and nut and bolt. I walk away sleeping at night that I complied and there is a good bond. Would you jeapordize your childrens lives in the pool. Better safe than sorry is my motto. Lazieness costs way more in this world than a little extra.
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cesenergy said:
Are the uprights metal and bolted together? If all of the uprights are bolted together why would you need to connect to every other one?
jwelectric said:
I'm going to defend the installation book burners.
There was a time when installation instructions were pretty good but the PC world [and I'm NOT talking about personal computers] came along and screwed up every good instruction book.
Now the books are 14,000 pages long but the English instructions are trimmed down to fit on one page so that we can get every other language in the world included in the booklet. The single page of English instructions consists of 3/4 of a page that tells you crap like: "Electrical devices can shock you if defective !" and other brilliant stuff like "Don't plug this device and then submerge it in water while holding scalding hot water over your head in a paper dixie cup."
The remaining 2 sentences attempt to summerize the entire installation project in 20 words.
David
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dnem said:
Will you quit that? I am rolling in the floor LMAO
M. D.
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Are the walls of the pool 42"?
If they are taller , this would not be a storable pool.
I have never wired an above ground pool with walls 42" or less. This is a big problem because now many of us would need to create the equipotential bonding grid under this thing and extending 3' from the pool , also many of these pools use plastic uprights between the metal track that holds the pool wall top and bottom. The top track is touchable from inside the pool , the last pool like this I wired had no continuity between the track sections , so to comply would have meant bonding every section of wall track top and bottom.This is very difficult to do with the wall in place . Also the bracket at the top and the bottom of the upright had no screws to connect the track , it was a preasure fit ,again providing no continuity .
I am sorry to say , I called it a storable pool and my fingers are still crossed , I hope the damned thing collapses , while no one is in it of course
If they are taller , this would not be a storable pool.
I have never wired an above ground pool with walls 42" or less. This is a big problem because now many of us would need to create the equipotential bonding grid under this thing and extending 3' from the pool , also many of these pools use plastic uprights between the metal track that holds the pool wall top and bottom. The top track is touchable from inside the pool , the last pool like this I wired had no continuity between the track sections , so to comply would have meant bonding every section of wall track top and bottom.This is very difficult to do with the wall in place . Also the bracket at the top and the bottom of the upright had no screws to connect the track , it was a preasure fit ,again providing no continuity .
I am sorry to say , I called it a storable pool and my fingers are still crossed , I hope the damned thing collapses , while no one is in it of course
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dnem said:
I have bad news for you, that trend had nothing to do with PC. But then, few things that people label as "PC" are actually PC, so that's not a big surprise.
It was the captains of global industry, some of the least PC people on the planet, who brought about that change. And it was driven by profit motive, not an abiding multi-cultural sensitivity. When they figured out they could publish one multi-lingual instruction booklet and sell their products in many different countries with only one standard packaging, that was the end of the good, old-fashioned badly-written English-only manual.
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