box fill
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bphgravity
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- Florida
Re: box fill
No, see the last sentence in section 314.16(B). They aren't counted in metal boxes either.
No, see the last sentence in section 314.16(B). They aren't counted in metal boxes either.
aelectricalman
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- KY
Re: box fill
We should try to get an NEC amendment to include drywall mud as box fill.
We should try to get an NEC amendment to include drywall mud as box fill.
jimwalker
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- TAMPA FLORIDA
Re: box fill
How many of us remove every bit of that drywall mud ? We should but then we really should require the drywall finisher to clean up after himself.
How many of us remove every bit of that drywall mud ? We should but then we really should require the drywall finisher to clean up after himself.
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- Windsor, CO NEC: 2017
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- Service Manager
Re: box fill
We are being so put on to knock drywall mud out of the boxes. :roll:
We are being so put on to knock drywall mud out of the boxes.
:roll:jimwalker
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- TAMPA FLORIDA
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Time is money,if it wasn't they would take the time to clean there own mess up.I do it fast with klines and if they then need to patch so be it.Good dry wall men use a margin trowel to clean there work up.But if the electrician will do it free then why bother.
Time is money,if it wasn't they would take the time to clean there own mess up.I do it fast with klines and if they then need to patch so be it.Good dry wall men use a margin trowel to clean there work up.But if the electrician will do it free then why bother.
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- Windsor, CO NEC: 2017
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- Service Manager
Re: box fill
Two swings of the mighty Kleins and that's all she wrote.
I'm not a drywaller. If there are chunks of drywall mud all over the floor when I leave a trim, I didn't put it there. The drywaller put it there. He just didn't know it yet.
Like holes that mysteriously appear under four gang boxes. Inexplicably, every once in a while, spray foam insulation erupts from the wall where it was conspicuously hiding, behind a three or four gang box. Using an F-strap, madison bar, or whatever your name for it is to compress spray foam behind the box hardly ever works. I've finally declared war on the insulators. I'll give it a poke. If it doesn't come close, good-bye spray foam.
I'd rather have ten buried boxes to uncover than attempt to suck a four gang into the wall with that honking foam behind it.
Two swings of the mighty Kleins and that's all she wrote.
I'm not a drywaller. If there are chunks of drywall mud all over the floor when I leave a trim, I didn't put it there. The drywaller put it there. He just didn't know it yet.
Like holes that mysteriously appear under four gang boxes. Inexplicably, every once in a while, spray foam insulation erupts from the wall where it was conspicuously hiding, behind a three or four gang box. Using an F-strap, madison bar, or whatever your name for it is to compress spray foam behind the box hardly ever works. I've finally declared war on the insulators. I'll give it a poke. If it doesn't come close, good-bye spray foam.
I'd rather have ten buried boxes to uncover than attempt to suck a four gang into the wall with that honking foam behind it.
jimwalker
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- TAMPA FLORIDA
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There is very little we can do to cover our box.If we tape them the router will remove it.They dont gob up the windows because the GC will back charge them .The best thing we can do is just slam the box with klines.Should it make a mess on the floor walk away from it as all we did was move the trash out of OUR BOX onto the floor.Let them patch.Had they cleaned up while the mud was fresh there would be no patching needed.I had a friend that did the drywall finishing on my houses that i built.I was his laborer and part of what he had me do was clean out the boxes.He worked for a top knotch company that did that kind of quality.Was a real easy to trim the house with no patching needed because it was done right.When we bid jobs we don't figure in cleaning boxes or finding them.Have the GC call them back to cut them out.And then charge him an extra trip because the house wasn't ready when he called us.Do it for them for free and they will let you do it forever.Give them a few hours of patchwork and they might learn.
There is very little we can do to cover our box.If we tape them the router will remove it.They dont gob up the windows because the GC will back charge them .The best thing we can do is just slam the box with klines.Should it make a mess on the floor walk away from it as all we did was move the trash out of OUR BOX onto the floor.Let them patch.Had they cleaned up while the mud was fresh there would be no patching needed.I had a friend that did the drywall finishing on my houses that i built.I was his laborer and part of what he had me do was clean out the boxes.He worked for a top knotch company that did that kind of quality.Was a real easy to trim the house with no patching needed because it was done right.When we bid jobs we don't figure in cleaning boxes or finding them.Have the GC call them back to cut them out.And then charge him an extra trip because the house wasn't ready when he called us.Do it for them for free and they will let you do it forever.Give them a few hours of patchwork and they might learn.
jimwalker
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- TAMPA FLORIDA
Re: box fill
they know where it comes from thats easy to spot.Just isnt mine to be cleaning up
they know where it comes from thats easy to spot.Just isnt mine to be cleaning up
- Location
- Massachusetts
Re: box fill
You would be off my job in no time for intentionally messing with the other trades.
Is there any trade you have respect for?
I agree with you that the other trades should not mess up our work. We have made painters pay T&M to replace outlets that they painted.
But we do not retaliate by scraping up their work.
How professional of you. :roll:
You would be off my job in no time for intentionally messing with the other trades.
Is there any trade you have respect for?
I agree with you that the other trades should not mess up our work. We have made painters pay T&M to replace outlets that they painted.
But we do not retaliate by scraping up their work.
Re: box fill
I hate sheetrock guys, I'd never mess with them just because they buired a box or two. I set my switch boxes at 48" to the top so that falls right on thier tape line. I've have boxes filled so good with mud sanded smooth and painted, that it never looked like anything was there.
I hate sheetrock guys, I'd never mess with them just because they buired a box or two. I set my switch boxes at 48" to the top so that falls right on thier tape line. I've have boxes filled so good with mud sanded smooth and painted, that it never looked like anything was there.
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- Windsor, CO NEC: 2017
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- Service Manager
Re: box fill
There have been times where I stab for a buried box, find it right on the money, and as I'm cutting it out, for some bizarre reason the paper covering of the drywall catches the saw and tears off the finished product next to the box like wallpaper. That's annoying. (In review, that looked sarcastic. I'm being serious.)
I'm having trouble picturing what damage would be visible once the device is trimmed out with a cover plate on. I'll leave the chunks of mud on the floor, but there's hardly craters in the wall as a result of drywall mud in the box. Then again, we use midsize wallplates that conceal more.
There have been times where I stab for a buried box, find it right on the money, and as I'm cutting it out, for some bizarre reason the paper covering of the drywall catches the saw and tears off the finished product next to the box like wallpaper. That's annoying. (In review, that looked sarcastic. I'm being serious.)
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It's a imperfect world out there.A little mud in the outlet box, just something we live with.In the covering of the outlets with finished wall,lets just say if the outlet is still attached to the stud,a percentage of the time you can rub your hand across the wall and feel the hump (imperfection) in wall.With a pencil in hand "circle and x" said location.Bring it to the attention of the GC,and let him cordinate it.That's one of the reasons he's inplace,in the effective cordination between said trades on the site.If the General "balks" at the idea of having the said "Wall Contractor" to perform this task.I'll just kindly remind him of his duties, per the contract document, and with the reply of "Mr. General Contractor" consider yourself as being dueley cordinated by the site EC. Circle these location(s) on your prints,and ask him to put his "John Handcock" & date on it.As for conductors,equipment,labor and other damage.It's just been dropped it in his ballpark. This response with a "kind & gentle delivery" seems to allways get things moving in the right direction...
[ January 08, 2005, 01:08 PM: Message edited by: dillon3c ]
It's a imperfect world out there.A little mud in the outlet box, just something we live with.In the covering of the outlets with finished wall,lets just say if the outlet is still attached to the stud,a percentage of the time you can rub your hand across the wall and feel the hump (imperfection) in wall.With a pencil in hand "circle and x" said location.Bring it to the attention of the GC,and let him cordinate it.That's one of the reasons he's inplace,in the effective cordination between said trades on the site.If the General "balks" at the idea of having the said "Wall Contractor" to perform this task.I'll just kindly remind him of his duties, per the contract document, and with the reply of "Mr. General Contractor" consider yourself as being dueley cordinated by the site EC. Circle these location(s) on your prints,and ask him to put his "John Handcock" & date on it.As for conductors,equipment,labor and other damage.It's just been dropped it in his ballpark. This response with a "kind & gentle delivery" seems to allways get things moving in the right direction...
[ January 08, 2005, 01:08 PM: Message edited by: dillon3c ]
jimwalker
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- TAMPA FLORIDA
Re: box fill
"I'd rather have ten buried boxes to uncover than attempt to suck a four gang into the wall with that honking foam behind it."
That's partly your own fault.Anchor both sides of that box and it won't happen.I use a short piece of 2x4 or 2x6 maybe a foot long depending on what the outside wall is and attach it to the other side of box.It can float but prefer to anchor it as it keeps the box level.
If the GC says anything about the mud left on the floor be nice but exsplain to him that its not your job to clean up after a drywall man.The reason we sometimes see lots of mud in our box is because it was cut out sloppy and the finisher was trying to fill the gap.I have been on both sides of this fince as i have done drywall and finishing.Having built 19 houses from ground up doing all the trades i have learned to respect the other mans trade.I do know what they all can and should be doing.Some just don't care.On project i am on now we have great drywall men.They have missed 2 boxes out of hundreds.However the stuco men are the worst i ever seen with getting stuco on every door and window as well as the sofit.
"I'd rather have ten buried boxes to uncover than attempt to suck a four gang into the wall with that honking foam behind it."
That's partly your own fault.Anchor both sides of that box and it won't happen.I use a short piece of 2x4 or 2x6 maybe a foot long depending on what the outside wall is and attach it to the other side of box.It can float but prefer to anchor it as it keeps the box level.
If the GC says anything about the mud left on the floor be nice but exsplain to him that its not your job to clean up after a drywall man.The reason we sometimes see lots of mud in our box is because it was cut out sloppy and the finisher was trying to fill the gap.I have been on both sides of this fince as i have done drywall and finishing.Having built 19 houses from ground up doing all the trades i have learned to respect the other mans trade.I do know what they all can and should be doing.Some just don't care.On project i am on now we have great drywall men.They have missed 2 boxes out of hundreds.However the stuco men are the worst i ever seen with getting stuco on every door and window as well as the sofit.
kentirwin
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- Norfolk, VA
Re: box fill
I can recall years ago resorting to stuffing colored crepe paper in boxes roughed in yet-to-be-plastered walls. Sure enough, if they covered it the color leached right through the white coat!
I can recall years ago resorting to stuffing colored crepe paper in boxes roughed in yet-to-be-plastered walls. Sure enough, if they covered it the color leached right through the white coat!
jimwalker
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- TAMPA FLORIDA
Re: box fill
There is a problem with most supers.They view your problems as minor and seldom care who fixes it as long as it gets done.Tell him your box is barried and he will ask you if you can cut it out.Tell him no and your job gets held up till he gets the drywall guy back.Handle this smart,find it as fast as you can.Use a straight board and you can find it fast most times.If this seldom happens be neat as possible.If there are several get out your drwall saw and be sure to make a hard to fix patch,Don't get mad get even
There is a problem with most supers.They view your problems as minor and seldom care who fixes it as long as it gets done.Tell him your box is barried and he will ask you if you can cut it out.Tell him no and your job gets held up till he gets the drywall guy back.Handle this smart,find it as fast as you can.Use a straight board and you can find it fast most times.If this seldom happens be neat as possible.If there are several get out your drwall saw and be sure to make a hard to fix patch,Don't get mad get even
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