electrofelon
Senior Member
- Location
- Cherry Valley NY, Seattle, WA
Yes and it's unbelievable the stuff that passes
Breaker requirements for panel upgrade
- Thread starter Davezaino1968
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electrofelon
Senior Member
- Location
- Cherry Valley NY, Seattle, WA
Definitely, nothing wrong with fuses.
ramsy
Roger Ruhle dba NoFixNoPay
- Location
- LA basin, CA
- Occupation
- Service Electrician 2020 NEC
Same here, in a 1950's rambler with 50A FPE load center, & 2-prong plugs on snake-skin cable.
When distribution voltage (my speculation) occurred on neutral, an extremely noisy arc persisted from outlet to plumbing under the sink.
Electricians came & ran away. My Dad drove a ground rod outside, next to kitchen clean out.
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Fred B
Senior Member
- Location
- Upstate, NY
- Occupation
- Electrician
A very big issue that will occur if on replacing a service and distribution panel and if you are required add AFCI on existing circuits is real a potential for tripping due to common tied neutrals in a j-box somewhere. Now you have to try to "find" the offending j-box that could be buried most anywhere.
Sierrasparky
Senior Member
- Location
- USA
- Occupation
- Electrician ,contractor
Was this implemented because some installs just have a Meter pan outside and the first over-current device is on the inside. Heck that is the way I have always done it. A few older places in my locale still have it that way.
kwired
Electron manager
- Location
- NE Nebraska
We will be adopting 2023 in a month or two. Was still on 2017. Amendments will basically make 210.8 mostly the same as it was for 2017. So no required GFCI's for most 240 volt receptacles at dwellings is kind of a big thing. AFCI requirements are untouched, but really not much if any difference than 2017 requirements were. They also amended out the "Emergency disconnect" rules, that one surprised me a little that they did that.
kwired
Electron manager
- Location
- NE Nebraska
I kind of don't think that is why. NEC still allowed just meter pan outside when this rule came up. More like there is many times when you change out a load center you possibly need to make somewhat minor adjustments to it's positioning, it may be larger than what you replaced and not all existing conductors will reach their destination and things like that would be my guess.
Davezaino1968
Member
- Location
- Federal way Wa
- Occupation
- General Foreman
I must say that everyone has been very helpful on this forum for my little question. It has also started some good conversations.
Thanks to all
Thanks to all
ramsy
Roger Ruhle dba NoFixNoPay
- Location
- LA basin, CA
- Occupation
- Service Electrician 2020 NEC
About 20 years ago GE was first to pass UL 1699 for a circuit breaker without GFPE, but Leviton already had AFCI outlets without GFPE.
The way electrofelon just complained about inspections in Upstate New York, sounds like you guys must hire inspectors from entry level. Probably not the only AHJ dealing with qualified persons moving away for higher wages.
Panel flippers wont remove shoes before traipsing dirt all over the carpet, much less climb in crawl spaces to check flying splices.
kwired
Electron manager
- Location
- NE Nebraska
Those that are most qualified to be inspectors, that aren't also nearing retirement age and just looking for something less physically demanding, are likely to look for higher paying positions than most inspector positions are paying.
Younger guys that got out of contracting and became an inspector likely weren't too successful at contracting. They may or may not be good electricians but maybe simply can't run a business by themselves.