Breakers installed at rough

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Y'all know, that I knew better than to energise every circuit. What we used to do was just like what Larry said with a GFCI installed at the laundry circuit, except that all the other breakers were installed and left off. We would pig tail every device & fixture box and leave a wire nut on the hot. (As I have posted before in another LENGTHY thread, We always pig tail.) This was the standard practice that I thought was acceptable.

Until now :D
 
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I just remembered something from a few years back...

We added several new circuits to a panel for an addition. I wanted to "do as much as I could" while the panel was open, so I wouldn't have to remove the cover again.

A few days later, an existing pantry, with a pull-chain lampholder, was demolished, and the demolisher ( :) ) removed the lampholder. Nobody called us.

Being the first box on the circuit, it killed the rear bathroom lights and bedroom everything. The GC's site manager decided to turn on every breaker, to no avail.

That's when they called us. I tried to explain why what he did was so dangerous, but he blamed us for the outage instead of understanding what I was talking about.

We charged for an emergency call . . . and got paid for it.

The moral: if you don't like getting shocked (or yelled at by other 'shockees'), don't terminate incomplete circuits.
 
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Originally posted by sandsnow:
Ok, that's one Code, but George said there was a lotta codes.
George, I'm waiting :D ;)
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A lotta codes :p :
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  • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">110.12(A), because all the boxes energized have big holes in the front</font>
  • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">210.52, because there are no receptacles at the spacings required if there are no receptacles.</font>
  • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">404.9(A), because those switches ain't got no covers.</font>
  • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">404.10(B), because the switch isn't sitting flush if it's sitting in the warehouse across town</font>
  • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">406.3, because it's telling you to go back to 210.52 and put those receptacles in</font>
  • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">406.4, because if it's sitting in the warehouse....</font>
  • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">406.5...</font>
  • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">406.8...</font>
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Originally posted by hurk27:
The one problem we do have is the dry wallers will remove the panel cover and leave it off which we have warned them many times to put it back on.
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If you consistently use a certain size panel, then it's not a bad idea to make rough panel covers, that do not overhang the actual can itself. A piece of sheet metal with a breaker-sized slot in the middle does the trick.

Make them sturdy and they should appease OSHA. It'll keep your finished panel-covers clean, and if you keep track of them, they'll clutter up the shop when it gets slow. :D
 
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Originally posted by georgestolz:

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  • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">110.12(A), because all the boxes energized have big holes in the front</font>
  • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">210.52, because there are no receptacles at the spacings required if there are no receptacles.</font>
  • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">404.9(A), because those switches ain't got no covers.</font>
  • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">404.10(B), because the switch isn't sitting flush if it's sitting in the warehouse across town</font>
  • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">406.3, because it's telling you to go back to 210.52 and put those receptacles in</font>
  • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">406.4, because if it's sitting in the warehouse....</font>
  • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">406.5...</font>
  • <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">406.8...</font>
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That's great, but were not going for final inspection here nor are we done with the installation.
90.2(A) Scope - covers installation only

So :D
 
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(3) Installations of conductors and equipment that connect to the supply of electricity
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As soon as that breaker is connected to the supply of electricity...guess what! It's covered under the scope of the NEC. :) :p
 
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That only covers the sservice equipment, service conductors, service lateral conductors, or conductors to private gensets.

Iten 1 covers the premises wiring.

80.13(2) is what we really need here in this case. Unfortunately it does not apply atuomatically. Only when specifically adopted.
 
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The sad truth of it is, I imagine an inspector would face ridicule from everyone around him if he issued a stop-work order for a house for "exposed and energized 120V shock hazards."

120V kills more people according to the statistics, but you act on that information and you're being difficult, silly or wussy.

I know I have peer pressure to chill out about it, I can imagine an inspector with the authority to step in and act would face 100 times that pressure.
 
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The politics (pressure) are daunting sometimes.
I will tell people to cover panels that have no deadfront and are energized. I can't control what they do when I leave. The painter does not deserve to get hurt due to the electricians negligence.
In very rare cases we will have the POCO de-energize. It has to be an immediate hazard or I will not get any backup.
 
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