bubble cover or no bubble cover
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allenwayne
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Re: bubble cover or no bubble cover
Yes if subject to direct rain or run off.
Yes if subject to direct rain or run off.
allenwayne
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Re: bubble cover or no bubble cover
Also if a cord cap will be inserted and unattended.
Also if a cord cap will be inserted and unattended.
larryl
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- wrentham ma.
Re: bubble cover or no bubble cover
yes
yes
jwelectric
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- North Carolina
Re: bubble cover or no bubble cover
I would say no.
How many cords are going to be left unattended on the roof? This "outlet" is required for the service of the equipment on the roof and should only be used for that purpose.
I would say no.
How many cords are going to be left unattended on the roof? This "outlet" is required for the service of the equipment on the roof and should only be used for that purpose.
Re: bubble cover or no bubble cover
If I remember right, that no longer matters JW. All receptacles in a wet location need bubble covers, if they are intended to have a cord left in them or not. It changed between the 1999 and 2002 cycles.
Steve
If I remember right, that no longer matters JW. All receptacles in a wet location need bubble covers, if they are intended to have a cord left in them or not. It changed between the 1999 and 2002 cycles.
Steve
jwelectric
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Re: bubble cover or no bubble cover
[ October 20, 2005, 10:48 AM: Message edited by: jwelectric ]
It will not require a Bubble cover unless you intend to leave a cord plugged in while unattended. Look closely to (b) and you will see this.
[ October 20, 2005, 10:48 AM: Message edited by: jwelectric ]
allenwayne
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Re: bubble cover or no bubble cover
But look at 406.8 B 1 - 15 and 20 ampere Outdoor receptacles installed outdoors in a wet location shall have an enclosure that is weatherproof whether or not the attachment plug cap is inserted.
406.8 B 2 a -a receptacle installed in a wet location where the product intended to be plugged into it is not attended while in use ( eg portable tools ................and so forth )
shall have an enclosure that is weather proof with the attachment plug cap inserted or removed.
406.8 B 2 B - Says same thing as 406.8 B 2 A except that in this case. the wording changed from is not attended to is attended.
406.8 B 1 and 2 and 406.8 B 2 B all are from 02 cycle changes.
So actually if there is a receptacle outdoors and considered to be in a wet location a bubble cover is required :roll: even if not used.I correct my earlier post.
Lets go 1 step further what about a well 2 pole 30a switch for a well what type cover is allowed to be used there if in a wet location.
But look at 406.8 B 1 - 15 and 20 ampere Outdoor receptacles installed outdoors in a wet location shall have an enclosure that is weatherproof whether or not the attachment plug cap is inserted.
406.8 B 2 a -a receptacle installed in a wet location where the product intended to be plugged into it is not attended while in use ( eg portable tools ................and so forth )
shall have an enclosure that is weather proof with the attachment plug cap inserted or removed.
406.8 B 2 B - Says same thing as 406.8 B 2 A except that in this case. the wording changed from is not attended to is attended.
406.8 B 1 and 2 and 406.8 B 2 B all are from 02 cycle changes.
So actually if there is a receptacle outdoors and considered to be in a wet location a bubble cover is required :roll: even if not used.I correct my earlier post.
Lets go 1 step further what about a well 2 pole 30a switch for a well what type cover is allowed to be used there if in a wet location.
jwelectric
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Re: bubble cover or no bubble cover
Let?s take another look at 406.8 (B)(2)(b) again.
Now to address the well, can you find a end cap that is approved to be used on UF cable?
Let?s take another look at 406.8 (B)(2)(b) again.
It states that it is only required to be weather proof only when nothing is plugged in. It does not require a ?bubble cover?! It is not required to be weather proof while it is being used!
Now to address the well, can you find a end cap that is approved to be used on UF cable?
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Re: bubble cover or no bubble cover
Why would 406.8(B)(2) even apply here? The rule in 406.8(B)(1) already states that 15 and 20 amp receptacles must have a bubble cover. 406.8(B)(2)(a) and (b) applies to receptacles other than 15 or 20 amp receptacles.
jwelectric
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Re: bubble cover or no bubble cover
Thank you, I now stand corrected
Thank you, I now stand corrected
allenwayne
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Re: bubble cover or no bubble cover
Why would 406.8(B)(2) even apply here? The rule in 406.8(B)(1) already states that 15 and 20 amp receptacles must have a bubble cover. 406.8(B)(2)(a) and (b) applies to receptacles other than 15 or 20 amp receptacles.
I agree i was just filling in the blanks of 406.b 1 is the article that requires it
as far as the well i was not refering to a cord cap to attach uf to.I was asking about a 2 pole 30 amp switch used as a disc.What type of wp sw. cover can be used. I can think of only 2 types. The type that has an external lever that slips over the toggle when installed and an in use cover.Was just curious who uses a wp single round device cover for a wp switch cover ?
Why would 406.8(B)(2) even apply here? The rule in 406.8(B)(1) already states that 15 and 20 amp receptacles must have a bubble cover. 406.8(B)(2)(a) and (b) applies to receptacles other than 15 or 20 amp receptacles.
I agree i was just filling in the blanks of 406.b 1 is the article that requires it
as far as the well i was not refering to a cord cap to attach uf to.I was asking about a 2 pole 30 amp switch used as a disc.What type of wp sw. cover can be used. I can think of only 2 types. The type that has an external lever that slips over the toggle when installed and an in use cover.Was just curious who uses a wp single round device cover for a wp switch cover ?
electricmanscott
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Re: bubble cover or no bubble cover
I can't believe this. Mike you have lost your edge. You didn't even go past the first page arguing against something that has been common knowledge for several years.Originally posted by jwelectric:
Thank you, I now stand corrected
Re: bubble cover or no bubble cover
I agree about the 'bubble' cover being required...but the absolute tone of the code belies little understanding of real life.
I am wiring a small carwash, the kind that you feed quarters. The owner wants a wp receptacle on the far end of the building (not inside one of the bays). I will invest $10., more or less and put one of those covers on...I guarantee that within a week, some kid in the neighborhood will find it worth investigating and kick it off. Then it will be an open receptacle with no cover.
IMHO, the old style hinge cover would help minimize this problem in this location. Alas, they didn't ask me...
I agree about the 'bubble' cover being required...but the absolute tone of the code belies little understanding of real life.
I am wiring a small carwash, the kind that you feed quarters. The owner wants a wp receptacle on the far end of the building (not inside one of the bays). I will invest $10., more or less and put one of those covers on...I guarantee that within a week, some kid in the neighborhood will find it worth investigating and kick it off. Then it will be an open receptacle with no cover.
IMHO, the old style hinge cover would help minimize this problem in this location. Alas, they didn't ask me...
peter d
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- New England
Re: bubble cover or no bubble cover
As much as I like the idea of in-use covers, the reality of their ultimate use is something quite different.
For the most part, the following happens on a regular basis:
1) If the plug is too big to fit in the cover, it just gets left open.
2) The cheaper plastic ones just break off.
3) The covers aren't self-closing, so they end up open wether or not something is plugged in.
I know we can't regulate what happens after we leave an installation. But that's what's going on out there.
As much as I like the idea of in-use covers, the reality of their ultimate use is something quite different.
For the most part, the following happens on a regular basis:
1) If the plug is too big to fit in the cover, it just gets left open.
2) The cheaper plastic ones just break off.
3) The covers aren't self-closing, so they end up open wether or not something is plugged in.
I know we can't regulate what happens after we leave an installation. But that's what's going on out there.
allenwayne
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Re: bubble cover or no bubble cover
Oh I agree that within a week in a traffic area the cover will be turned into a non covered receptacle in no time.But as long as we install as required we negate any thought of a code violation.
What happens after we leave is not for us to worry about just make sure they have your # so they can call you to replace that cheap plastic cover
Oh I agree that within a week in a traffic area the cover will be turned into a non covered receptacle in no time.But as long as we install as required we negate any thought of a code violation.
What happens after we leave is not for us to worry about just make sure they have your # so they can call you to replace that cheap plastic cover
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