Bubble covers in old work

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hurk27

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So useing 80.9(C) it would be required that if a two prong receptacle were to fail in a existing structure we would be required to now make it a three prong grounding type as required in "New instalation's" as required in 80.9(C)
required of a new building
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Because as the way it is worded 406.3(D) could not be used? as it say's "as in a new building"

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jimwalker

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We shoot OSHA men or feed to alligators,push off high rises.
Do you have a full time bubble cover replacer?
That T pole with broken cover is just as serious.
My T pole is granfathered in LOL

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roger

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Re: Bubble covers in old work

Jim,
We shoot OSHA men or feed to alligators,push off high rises.
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thats a good attitude to have here when there are people here to learn.

Roger
 
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iwire

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Re: Bubble covers in old work

Originally posted by jimwalker:
Do you have a full time bubble cover replacer?
That T pole with broken cover is just as serious.
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:D LOL :D Yes we do have a bubble cover replacer. :D

Same guy that replaces lamps and yellow lamp cages on the temp lighting.

The same guy that tests the GFCI outlets and keeps a log.

The same guy that checks our extension cords and tool cords for grounding continuity.

I am not kidding we do all that, although we will buy the good in use covers so they will last longer.

You have to remember we are not building single family homes, the projects last months to years, OSHA will be along sometime.

Bob
 
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iwire

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Re: Bubble covers in old work

Originally posted by hurk27:
Because as the way it is worded 406.3(D) could not be used? as it say's "as in a new building"
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Your good, I love a trouble maker. :)
 
mdshunk

mdshunk

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Right here.
Re: Bubble covers in old work

Myself, I nail on a big square of old rubber roofing and let it hang down to cover the receptacles on t-poles. I know that a piece of rubber roofing is not UL listed, but isn't that the same as a receptacle being under a porch roof? No one has ever questioned me on it and the rubber seems to last much longer than a crappy plastic bubble cover would. Could I nail a big piece of rubber on the outside of someone house? ;)
 
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chicar

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Lancaster,Pa
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Thank you iwire for the welcome. I also live in Central Pa. Most Homeowners in this area will go the " cheap route". That's because the cost of living is low and the Amish set the pay scale here. Stay up on your N.E.C., include it in your bid,set your price and stick to it. Explain to the Homeowner why your price might be higher but safety is first. As far as Inspectors you can call Harrisburg Pa. They will tell you what Inspection Angency to call for what area. Only the Major cities have Local Inspectors.
Allways "Do the right thing".
 
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jimwalker

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Other than looks im not sure if that piece of rubber has now made a roof and your receptacle is now not in a wet location.LOL
 
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pierre

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Westchester County, New York
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406.3(D)(1) - (3) are the requirements for replacing receptacles.

If you think you are saving the customer money by not complying with the code, you are mistaken as that is not the purpose of the code.
If you say that there are parts of the code that you will not follow, why follow any part? :confused:
If you are an electrician, you have an ethical obligation by virtue of the knowledge you have gained in the industry to provide your customer with a safe installation (which most likely will be more expensive).
I do not know any job that is worth doing for less so that some other guy doesn't get the job.

Do I experience competition for work? How about the county I live in has 1346 licensed electrical contractors and many more handyman specialists listed in the book, management companies, GCs, painters, HVAC contractors, 1700 union electricians, uncles, brothers, I think you can get the picture

Pierre

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jimwalker

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I do get the picture.So will the customer.They call for a few serious problems.Bad switch,loose receptacle,want a dimmer on dining room light,bad ballast.While your here can you replace that broken WP cover.Yes mam but it is a non grounded receptacle .I need to change the box to fit a gfci and add a bubble cover.How much !!!!!.Forget it my son will do it.I may never get another call from this customer.She will think i am taking her for a ride.She is 80 years old living on SS.yes exsplain the safety and risk.Now she points out there are 3 others outside.While I'm at it sell her on gfci for the kitchen and bath.Yes mam just sign that SS check and hand it to me.
It is EC's that push the letter of the code to the point that handymen get the job.
We must balance safety as an overall picture for that house against dollars to fix.If my adding that bubble cover makes this house 100% code compliant ,hell yes put it on.If it is a small dent in a 20 year old car ,forget it.
The code was happy for 60 years with just a WP cover,now because some mfg wants to sell bubbles they force it into the code book.Can't help but think there are payoffs

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jp_electric

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I live in Northeastern PA.we get licensed locally by borough. those towns that dont offer a license. will go to one of the closest city's that to. Some towns do not even require a test or anything. anyone can walk in with proof of insurence and $60 bucks and be a licensed electrician.i recently took my masters it was on 1996 code... hummm. sometimes it really makes me mad going to school masters exam so on and so forth. and a local handyman or anyone can walk into a house and be just as qualified as i am. And possibally never seen a code book. strange huh. i know im really of the point but what i'm tring to say. is our inspectors still follow 96 code and just replacing the cover in my area would be ok.But if i think my customer will be using it alot i would suggest it.
 
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