Buying 2 wire romex

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the town i live in has a couple of those old hardware stores. the nearest supply house to me is 30 miles, so every now and then i have to drop in at one of the local places and pick up something small to save a trip. at one, the electrical shelf hasn't been restocked in probably 15 years. they have a QO GFCI 20A breaker for $69.99. A 15A recep is $1.20. We also have one of those "do it best" hardware stores that just came to town. You can buy 100' of 12-2 romex in a box for only $59.99. I had to get a gfci recep a few weeks ago it was $20. Today, I needed a couple of 1/2" emt outside pull elbows. They were $6.99 + tax. Inside pull elbows were $7.29. When they first opened a few months ago, i went up there to get some device boxes for a small kitchen remodel. They were $2.99 (metal) a piece. I didn't realize that until the cashier rang them up. After picking my jaw up off the floor, i put them back on the shelf.

--- forgot to add: i needed a dimmer once for a patio i was building. i went to the local place that had to $70 gfi; they didn't have any. the guy offered to order one, and i was in no hurry, so i told him go ahead. after spending 10 minutes looking at a 5 year old cooper catalog, we found the product number for an old rotary dimmer. he wrote down the order, and said he'd call me in a couple of weeks. well, a couple of weeks went by and i forgot about the one i ordered, and got one at the supply house. i got a call 6 months later from the hardware store; my dimmer had finally arrived!
 
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brantmacga said:
After picking my jaw up off the floor, i put them back on the shelf.
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But sometimes the local hardware store is a better option than a 2-hour round trip to the 'regular' supply house. :wink:
 
absolutely. which is why they can charge what they do. i get a few small items there once every week or so when we're doing local service calls.
 
i got some pictures. sorry, i was thinking of the wrong wire, this isnt the asphalt, its the thick rubber

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Minuteman said:
Aw man, I thought it was tar baby wire! :rolleyes:
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i got that too, i'll post a pic tommarow

anyone still make WHITE 12 gauge nm?

(i know i can still buy it at that hardware store, the guy even gave me a box of it)
 
I'll call it a listed, factory-produced assembly.
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How is that different from any other listed receptacle outlets? They still make listed two wire receptacles, but there use is very limited under the code.
Also the use of NM without an EGC is a code violation.
334.108 Equipment Grounding
In addition to the insulated conductors, the cable shall have an insulated or bare conductor for equipment grounding purposes only.
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Don

note: the EGC requirement is new to the 2005 code, in previous codes NM was permitted but not required to have an EGC
 
don_resqcapt19 said:
How is that different from any other listed receptacle outlets? They still make listed two wire receptacles, but there use is very limited under the code.
Also the use of NM without an EGC is a code violation.
Don

note: the EGC requirement is new to the 2005 code, in previous codes NM was permitted but not required to have an EGC
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You gotta remember, these are c-vac people, not 'lectertians. Do you really think they care about codes? I tried to educate them about "...shall have no other outlets..." and "Dead-end 3-ways do not have a neutral!" and got the standard, deer-in-the-headlights look.
 
You gotta remember, these are c-vac people, not 'lectertians. Do you really think they care about codes?
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How are they doing electrical work if they are not electricians? Around here the complete central vac system is installed by electricians.
Don
 
i do whole c-vac systems, but ive been know to build anything for $$ when work is slow, (heck ive done whole additions start to finsh, except concrete, for people!)
 
jamesguy10 said:
why do they still make this? what use is it? ive never even seen "new" wire w/o ground
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I found some of this in a remodel I did in Mo. last summer. I found a little bit of every thing in that house!!
 
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