cables bunched together

[smallfish]

Individual cable clamps or connectors are required to be used with only one cable per clamp or connector, unless the clamp or connector is identified for more than a single cable per NEC 312.5(C). Is a romex connector,the type that is of two parts (thru which passes the cable) and connected together with two long bolts and angled to be able to be seated inside the enclosure, identified for more than a single cable? Is it a serious violation, if it is, to bundle conductors in this way? I question the installation of twelve NM cables size 14 AWG passing thru such a connector into a service panel. Thanks

 

[billsnuff]

I have a package in front of me that says "fits 1/2 inch knockout, for one or two 14-2 to 12-2 NM cable" on the package.

 

[M. D.]

12 #14/2 nm cables,.. that is not fitting in a 1/2" ko . I don't know of any connector that is listed for 12 nm cables

 

[celtic]

I think he may be talking about a 2" squeeze connector...the "and angled" part has me a bit confused...is it a 45? or 90??

 

[pbeasley]

I have a package in front of me that says "fits 1/2 inch knockout, for one or two 14-2 to 12-2 NM cable" on the package.

Now if only all the MFG's marked them the same. Had an inspector make me replace some of these because I switched brands towards the end of the rough. The old box was marked for 2 cables, the new one was not. Live and learn... and read carefully.

 

[stickboy1375]

Now if only all the MFG's marked them the same. Had an inspector make me replace some of these because I switched brands towards the end of the rough. The old box was marked for 2 cables, the new one was not. Live and learn... and read carefully.

Yeah, why didnt you dump the new connectors into the old box?

 

[smallfish]

cables bunched together

Thanks for the quick replies. This is a straight, squeeze romex connector with no lock nut to fit it to the enclosure just its own small flange to seat it there. The eight (not twelve) NM cables 14 AWG pass throught this connector which fits into a 1 1/4 KO. If this is a violation is it because of the possible overheating at his point?

 

[macmikeman]

I think he may be talking about a 2" squeeze connector...the "and angled" part has me a bit confused...is it a 45? or 90??

Celt, your youth is showing. The old style of romex connectors is what he is talking about. They were 2 piece when the two screws were removed. I still see them shipped with some range ovens. There was no threads and no locknuts, the connector tightned (supposedly) against the can when the romex fastener was screwed tight. Total trash, and that is why they went the way of the old west. They probably weren't rated for multiple cables past two, but in them thar old days the practice wasn't specifically prohibited so it was a common thing to encounter. At least the installer used a connector rather than just stuffing it all thru a ko hole.

 

[raider1]

Thanks for the quick replies. This is a straight, squeeze romex connector with no lock nut to fit it to the enclosure just its own small flange to seat it there. The eight (not twelve) NM cables 14 AWG pass throught this connector which fits into a 1 1/4 KO. If this is a violation is it because of the possible overheating at his point?

One problem that arises when you try to install that many NM cables in one connector is that you can not properly secure each cable to the enclosure.

Chris

 

[celtic]

Celt, your youth is showing.

The beard isn't fooling anyone, is it?
:grin:

I still see them shipped with some range ovens. There was no threads and no locknuts, the connector tightned (supposedly) against the can when the romex fastener was screwed tight. Total trash, and that is why they went the way of the old west.

I remember those POS.....on ranges/dryers ~ not in panels.

 

[infinity]

Thanks for the quick replies. This is a straight, squeeze romex connector with no lock nut to fit it to the enclosure just its own small flange to seat it there. The eight (not twelve) NM cables 14 AWG pass throught this connector which fits into a 1 1/4 KO. If this is a violation is it because of the possible overheating at his point?

Overheating is not an issue. Installing more cables than the connector is listed for is.

 

[dlhoule]

One problem that arises when you try to install that many NM cables in one connector is that you can not properly secure each cable to the enclosure.

Chris

Have you ever tried pulling one of those NM cables out after the screws were properly tightened? I'll bet you can't do it without damaging the sheathing and possible the insulation on the individual wires.

 

[ronaldrc]

I have trouble reading and understanding post and I know everyone has trouble understanding what I say.

But a lot of the response are just uncalled for.

Example.

I have a package in front of me that says "fits 1/2 inch knockout, for one or two 14-2 to 12-2 NM cable" on the package.

That sentence did not say a thing about twelve #12/2 nm romex wires, it plainly says Two #12s.

 

[billsnuff]

sorry folks, i just happened to have a 3/8" romex connector on my desk. It clearly stated that it could hold more than one wire/cable. I didn't think I needed to state that the product listing mattered. Unfortunately, I didn't have an 1 1/4" connector handy, with product listing for a number of conductors. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[ronaldrc]

Bill I hope I didn't confuse you. What you said was very plain.

You

I have a package in front of me that says "fits 1/2 inch knockout, for one or two 14-2 to 12-2 NM cable" on the package.

I was upset about the twisted response from MD and Celtic.

Response

12 #14/2 nm cables,.. that is not fitting in a 1/2" ko . I don't know of any connector that is listed for 12 nm cables

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I think he may be talking about a 2" squeeze connector...the "and angled" part has me a bit confused...is it a 45? or 90??

They might be your Buddies, but I hate to see someones words get twisted around.

 

[celtic]

Ron,
I think you may be over thinking the responses....

Why would I say that bill was looking at a 2" conn when he just said it was a 1/2"?

Look at it this way:

Is a romex connector,the type that is of two parts (thru which passes the cable) and connected together with two long bolts and angled to be able to be seated inside the enclosure, identified for more than a single cable?

I think he may be talking about a 2" squeeze connector...the "and angled" part has me a bit confused...is it a 45? or 90??

Bill never mentioned any angles.


Sometimes when multiple people are posting at relatively the same time, the lines can get a bit blurry:
Yesterday, 02:36 PM OP
Yesterday, 02:42 PM Bill
Yesterday, 02:50 PM MD
Yesterday, 02:57 PM Me

Bill replied to the OP, MD replied to Bill, I asked what the OP was looking at.

It you want to get "upset about the twisted response" go right ahead, I think it would be a whole lot less confusing to re-read the thread and try and keep up to speed.

I have trouble reading and understanding post and I know everyone has trouble understanding what I say.

No offense, but that's gonna be a problem on these forums.

 

[raider1]

Have you ever tried pulling one of those NM cables out after the screws were properly tightened? I'll bet you can't do it without damaging the sheathing and possible the insulation on the individual wires.

What I was trying to point out was that if we install 12 NM cables in a 1 1/4 or 1 1/2 cable connector then the cables installed toward the center of the connector would not be secured properly.

If you we referring to installing two NM cables as permitted by the manufacturer then I would agree you could not pull out one of the two NM cables with out damaging the outer jacket.

Chris

 

[ronaldrc]

Celtic I don't think either of you meant anything by the misquotes, but they where misquotes.

Bill said 1/2" very plainly not 2" and not twelve 14/2s or twelve 12/2s he said two #14/2s or 12/2s.

If someone points out that someone was misquoted it doesn't hurt to point it out.

As far as not keeping up and not following the post. Although not using it as an excuse , well read my signature.



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[M. D.]

I question the installation of twelve NM cables size 14 AWG passing thru such a connector into a service panel. Thanks

My response was based on the statement in red It looked to me as if he had at least 12 #14/2 cables passing through one connector I know of no such connector listed for this purpose

 

[ronaldrc]

MD, that would be a very tough thing to do.

Like Celtic said the forum will always be this way, but I just wanted to point out that Bill did not say that.

I understand that most on here don't think its a big deal.

Thats my last word on it.

Thanks