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If I had wanted to quote bill ,..I would have ,.. I just thought he might have misunderstood that , what the O.P. was looking for was a single connector for 12 #14 nm cables and since they can not possibly fit in a 1/2 " ko without a connector,.. I thought it rather pointless to the question being asked,. to talk about 3/8" romex connectors ,and howmany cables they can hold,,, so I worked it into my response .
No big deal and I don't think it is twisted :wink:
 
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Use a 2 1/2" SNAP in :D


That's going to be my answer for everything from now on :grin:



PS. Bundled wires don't cause overheating.
 
PS. Bundled wires don't cause overheating.
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Please expound on this statement.

Are you stating that bundling wires for a long distance will not create a situation where you would have an increase of heat?

Chris
 
ronaldrc said:
Celtic I don't think either of you meant anything by the misquotes, but they where misquotes.

Bill said 1/2" very plainly not 2" and not twelve 14/2s or twelve 12/2s he said two #14/2s or 12/2s.

If someone points out that someone was misquoted it doesn't hurt to point it out.

As far as not keeping up and not following the post. Although not using it as an excuse , well read my signature.



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Ronald : If I repeat something ,step on someones toes or misunderstand the question, Please except my apologies it was not intentional.
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That would only be correct if it was misquoted...I did not misquote ANYONE - as I didn't quote ANYONE (see post #4 ) .
You chose to decide who was "quoting" whom - not me.
I posted a clarifying statement for you(see #16 ). If you cannot understand that post, I cannot help you.

Feel free to misquote me if it helps to justify your erroneous position.
 
raider1 said:
Please expound on this statement.

Are you stating that bundling wires for a long distance will not create a situation where you would have an increase of heat?

Chris
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I would like to hear that as well. So I can rip out 310.15 from my book?
 
I base my statement about bundled cables on experience. Take it for what it's worth.

In AZ the service panels are mounted outside and the NM enters the panel via a single bushing or chase nipple so the cables are bundled. Sometimes there are a LOT of them.

It has been done like this since the 50/60's and is still done this way in 2008.

I have replaced/upgraded easily over 100 services and have NEVER seen ANY damage to the cables or condutors due to bundling.

I have seen LOTS of damage from the connectors and from staples but none from bundling.
 
220/221 said:
I base my statement about bundled cables on experience.
In AZ the service panels are mounted outside and the NM enters the panel via a single bushing or chase nipple so the cables are bundled. Sometimes there are a LOT of them.
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I would not call what you are describing as bundling.
 
In AZ the service panels are mounted outside and the NM enters the panel via a single bushing or chase nipple so the cables are bundled. Sometimes there are a LOT of them.
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Bundling cables for short distances such as you have described does not create a heat problem. Hence the exception to 310.15(A)(2).

Chris
 
bhsrnd said:
That's not one of those optional sections??;)
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As a Commercial EI I have not seen one NEC reference as of yet in this thead. Besides what I posted 310.15(B)(2) and adding 334.80:-? what are we talking about.....how many cables in a connector?
 
smallfish said:
Is a romex connector,the type that is of two parts (thru which passes the cable) and connected together with two long bolts and angled to be able to be seated inside the enclosure, identified for more than a single cable?
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celtic said:
I think he may be talking about a 2" squeeze connector...the "and angled" part has me a bit confused...is it a 45? or 90??
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smallfish said:
This is a straight, squeeze romex connector with no lock nut to fit it to the enclosure just its own small flange to seat it there.
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macmikeman said:
The old style of romex connectors is what he is talking about. They were 2 piece when the two screws were removed. I still see them shipped with some range ovens. There was no threads and no locknuts, the connector tightned (supposedly) against the can when the romex fastener was screwed tight.
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celtic said:
I remember those POS.....on ranges/dryers ~ not in panels.
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They were known as Tomic connectors, and they were THE NM connector in the 50's and 60's. I've taken (and saved) many of them from service changes I've done. They're great for installing into in-wall panels and around existing cables.

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LarryFine said:
They were known as Tomic connectors, and they were THE NM connector in the 50's and 60's. I've taken (and saved) many of them from service changes I've done. They're great for installing into in-wall panels and around existing cables.
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Larry, have you ever tried the "Hit-Loc" connectors from Steel City? They are the cats meow for what you mentioned above.
 
LarryFine said:
They were known as Tomic connectors, and they were THE NM connector in the 50's and 60's. I've taken (and saved) many of them from service changes I've done. They're great for installing into in-wall panels and around existing cables.

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The company I broke into the trade with loved these things. Even used 2" size for the service cables. Wasn't the 50's though... (90's)
 
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