Calif Title 24 2016: Are controlled receptacles no longer required for commercial TI?

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It seems that controlled receptacles are only required for new electrical service installation. For tenant improvements of existing electrical system, this has been dropped.
Anyone interpret the same thing?
Thanks.
 
fandi said:
It seems that controlled receptacles are only required for new electrical service installation. For tenant improvements of existing electrical system, this has been dropped.
Anyone interpret the same thing?
Thanks.
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if you add an outlet to an existing TI, a controlled outlet needs to be within 6' of it.
existing outlets not covered under the permit can be left as is.

that's my understanding.
 
Fulthrotl said:
if you add an outlet to an existing TI, a controlled outlet needs to be within 6' of it.
existing outlets not covered under the permit can be left as is.

that's my understanding.
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Thanks. If an existing outlet is relocated then it's not considered new, is it?
 
What leads you to believe that something in the code has been changed to remove the requirement? My understanding (limited as I know it to be) is that you trigger T24 requirements on a TI if you do certain things or affect a certain minimum amount of area. But once you open that door, you have to deal with everything that is inside the room.
 
charlie b said:
What leads you to believe that something in the code has been changed to remove the requirement? My understanding (limited as I know it to be) is that you trigger T24 requirements on a TI if you do certain things or affect a certain minimum amount of area. But once you open that door, you have to deal with everything that is inside the room.
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I'm out in the field but I can quote the 2016 code tomorrow when I'm back to my office.
 
charlie b said:
What leads you to believe that something in the code has been changed to remove the requirement? My understanding (limited as I know it to be) is that you trigger T24 requirements on a TI if you do certain things or affect a certain minimum amount of area. But once you open that door, you have to deal with everything that is inside the room.
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Please see Section 8-6 and example 8-11 of this online manual pdf from State of California:
http://www.energy.ca.gov/2015public.../chapter_08_electrical_power_distribution.pdf
 
charlie b said:
What leads you to believe that something in the code has been changed to remove the requirement? My understanding (limited as I know it to be) is that you trigger T24 requirements on a TI if you do certain things or affect a certain minimum amount of area. But once you open that door, you have to deal with everything that is inside the room.
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it's pretty common to see offices spiffed around here, with new lighting.

all the receptacles are existing. nothing new added. they show as NIC
on the approved drawings. usually they aren't drawn in at all.

all i do when i certify lighting is that the approved drawings were adhered to.
if the work is not attached to a permit number, i have nothing to issue a
certification of.

now, if the drawings are not compliant, we have to look at that, as it's part
of the certification. but if it's not on the drawings.....

i'm a third party auditor, not a PE, and not the PE of record. if i've got a question
on the job, i go to the forms page, get the PE's number, and call for a chat.
 
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