Can AHJ Enforce 2008 NEC?

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Bob was busy...I believe the inspector can enforce the 2008 as after the code goes into effect here it is enforced right away..the inspector wil be making sure of the changes he wants to be seen right away by telling you in advance..So if the job has drug on for 5 months how long do you expect him to enforce the 2005..
 
I'm not sure of the laws in your area, but check the permitted drawing and the permit itself. In at least one place, it should mention the code to be enforced on the drawings. The inspector can not force you to do more than what that code required. He can try, believe me, he can try, but he can't make you do it. If you find the code that was approved on the permit, call the AHJ (Chief Building Inspector? Guy at the top of the food chain of the building department) and talk to them about it.

If they tell you it will be done by the newer code, find out the number or name of the law that allows them to do this.
 
man I read a lot about prints and drawings and most all residencial in this area have no prints or drawings..permits are based on dollar amounts..only larger commerical jobs require prints and drawings or permits after a certian dollar amount..but non of the electrical has to be approved before hand just apply for the permit pay the fee and you are good to go..the state runs the electrical and only few areas actually require more stringent rules..but you only pay one permit fee and that is to the state..

Edited to add: the inspector can not force you to comply but you are correct he can try..Yet whats the difference if you are argueing over TR Recps..just do it, it will be cheaper..there are some areas that are major costs but I would bet EI would be more forgiving on a permit in the exchange area..Like I have said before it is normally cheaper to comply then it is to fight it..
 
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The job will last till june of next year, It was bid and permitted under 2005. I wouldnt figure you can change it in the middle of the game.
 
cschmid said:
I believe the inspector can enforce the 2008 as after the code goes into effect here it is enforced right away..the inspector wil be making sure of the changes he wants to be seen right away by telling you in advance..So if the job has drug on for 5 months how long do you expect him to enforce the 2005..
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In not one of the three states I work would that be true.

The code used is the code in effect at the time of permitting and some of our jobs 'drag out' for 2, 3, 4 years.
 
iwire said:
OK after deleting just 61 off topic and nonsensical posts please continue with the OPs questions. :roll:
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Only 61? It seemed like a lot more. :D

Oh yeah, back to the OP....here in New England the code that was in force at the date the permit was drawn is the code that is in force for the project.
 
as I said before, it may well be that ahj's in some areas enforce this. But in terms of contracts and litigation, trying to enforce a new rule on a previous agreement would generally be "ex post facto", and unenforceble to the agreement (without suitable compensation).
 
Would be a big change order all circuits are MWBC. I dont think the college would be to excited about it. Around 400 circuits or so.
 
km5qd said:
Would be a big change order all circuits are MWBC. I dont think the college would be to excited about it. Around 400 circuits or so.
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Lots of handle ties. If you can't get a CO then fight it tooth and nail.
 
km5qd said:
Would be a big change order all circuits are MWBC. I dont think the college would be to excited about it. Around 400 circuits or so.
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I would start going up the chain and get this ironed out.
 
Flex said:
Cant you write a change order for whatever will be effected by the 2008 and bill the customer?
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If they somehow made it stick to enforce a code different from the one approved and permitted, I would do that, and introduce the customer to the AHJ.
 
In NYS, the building code (and by reference the electrical code) is enacted by elected officials at the state government level. Each municipality has the option of opting out of state-level enforcement by opting into either county-level or town/city level enforcement of this set of state codes.
The only way a town can adopt a more stringent rule or regulation than one that occurs in the state legislation is to go through a request for a more restrictive rule at the state Codes Council level. This is the same for adopting a standard that is more current than the adopted one.
One of the important reasons for this is to stay away from the myriad codes, rules and regulations we once had with our building codes. Many of the big cities had a code and the bulk of the townships had none. There were all manner of inconsistencies and contractors were so confused they didn't know how to bid a job from one town to the next.
We (NYS) went to a Uniform Code and then to the International Family of Codes with New York enhancements.It's finally working. :smile:
 
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km5qd said:
Wouldnt be cheaper in this case 40,000 sq ft College addition
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I did not realize you were talking a commercial job..outside of the MWBC,s how much difference is there..I do not why it would be a problem..we do college work regularly and none of the code changes have affected us..
 
I would figure that using #10 and 1" emt VS. #12 and 3/4" emt, plus this addition of the 2 extra grounding conductors for each set up would be a considerable cost.
 
km5qd said:
I would figure that using #10 and 1" emt VS. #12 and 3/4" emt, plus this addition of the 2 extra grounding conductors for each set up would be a considerable cost.
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unfortunatly for the college its not your problem. definetly would do what larryfine said
 
I guess I am still not following you here what is it you are wiring that would require a wire increase and a pipe increase..I do not use MWBC as a rule..so that portion does not affect us..
 
Home runs per 2005 9 circuits, 3 neutrals, 1 ground all #12 in 3/4" emt.
Home runs per 2008 9 circuits, 9 grounded conductors 1 ground all #10 in 1" emt.
 
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