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next time I see this inspector I will most likely get a prostate exam gratis!!!
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Then make it work for you. Next time, do everything in your power to keep the inspector on the site as long as possible. Ask him to look at everything, give his opinion on everything, talk about every possible Code issue, ask a million questions, show him every detail about the job.

I'll bet the time AFTER next you get a quick walk through, a smile and a green tag.
 
K8MHZ said:
Then make it work for you. Next time, do everything in your power to keep the inspector on the site as long as possible. Ask him to look at everything, give his opinion on everything, talk about every possible Code issue, ask a million questions, show him every detail about the job.

I'll bet the time AFTER next you get a quick walk through, a smile and a green tag.
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I think thats really smart.
 
He'll love you or hate you...

I think around here the sooner they get done and move on to the next job the sooner they get to home. Standard inspections are supposed to last one hour.

I was told I couldn't get a minor work permit (or what ever it is, small project) because it would need more than a 15min inspection. Dude hopped out of his truck made his way to the permit before hardly looking at anything. In 5min he was done.
 
OlympicPrecision said:
<snip>.... he said it was his personal preference that these conductors be cut free to stay cool.
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As was said personal preference doesn't mean squat and is not enforceable.

And in most cases load diversity will ensure the conductors never get hot anyways.

However, in this case an easy compromise is to cut the cable ties off, as the conductors are now trained and will stay in place nicely.

I don't know why everyone was whining about the pic..if you click on it twice it gets large enough to see everything.:-?

Great work, a very nice looking panel in any case.
 
mxslick said:
I don't know why everyone was whining about the pic..if you click on it twice it gets large enough to see everything.:-?
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Believe me, I know how to enlarge and manipulate online pictures and it left a lot to be desired.

Roger
 
I had an inspector tell me to cut the ties off the
"bundles" in a panel box so I did. A few months later the issue was adressed in a q&a in one of the trade magazines. I cut it out and mailed it to him.

The story has no ending because I didn't happen to have him inspect another panel of mine.
 
I am guessing the cluster of UC's GB tied in the back is derating each conductor. Oh sorry it was answered. I did not see. I think he only needed to quote the derating article, I don't believe it has a minimum length.

iwire- good point, but some HO's do not like it when the panel is "upside down". Silly HO's.
 
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Perhaps he himself is unable to make up a neat looking panel. From picture i am not seeing any places you have more than 3 bundled. Watch this inspector or we will say you remarked that neutral with the black tie wraps
 
iwire... I only installed the panel that way due to home owner request... and here was his reasoning; He had spent "alot" of time making up a computer generated panel schedule that had the main breaker on the top and not the bottom... he did not want to spend the time to change it... I said ok... Customer always right and all!

If I had it my way... bottom feeder only!!
 
Personally I think the panel looks great. Even though it doesn't apply to this install, there is no way the conductors were bundled for more then 24". As far as the service conductors running up to the top of the panel, So What, it's not like there isn't room for them.
 
OlympicPrecision said:
Moderator Rob gets the christmas turkey. Even though the EI couldnt quote me a code article on bundling the branch conductors together with ty raps...
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Its allowed to bundle in a panel...where two ampacities apply to the same conductor, the higher ampacity applies for ten feet or ten percent, whichever is the shorter. Thats the rule and I can't find it, with out my electronic version to search thru.
Maybe it was just to neat...nice job.
 
tom baker said:
Its allowed to bundle in a panel...where two ampacities apply to the same conductor, the higher ampacity applies for ten feet or ten percent, whichever is the shorter. Thats the rule and I can't find it, with out my electronic version to search thru.
Maybe it was just to neat...nice job.
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Article 310.15(A)(2)
 
tom baker said:
Its allowed to bundle in a panel...where two ampacities apply to the same conductor, the higher ampacity applies for ten feet or ten percent, whichever is the shorter. Thats the rule and I can't find it, with out my electronic version to search thru.
Maybe it was just to neat...nice job.
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Dennis Alwon said:
Article 310.15(A)(2)
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Or in post #8. ;)
 
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