can you use recepticle as splice point

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i was wondering if you can use a recepticle as a splice point the ; code says that in a multiwire the nuetral cant become unbroken, but did they mean multicircuit like if you used a three wire feed, or is a two wire considered a multiwire also :confused:
 
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:if you can use a receptacle as a splice point
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Yes

300.13(B) only refers to multiwire circuits where you have one neutral shared with two or three hots of different phases.

300.13(B) Device Removal. In multiwire branch circuits, the continuity of a grounded conductor shall not depend on device connections such as lampholders, receptacles, and so forth, where the removal of such devices would interrupt the continuity.
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There is no other such requirement in the NEC
 
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There was a time in Pinellas county that all receps. had to be pig tailed ,at every receptacle.Multi wire or not :roll:
 
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Originally posted by allenwayne:
There was a time in Pinellas county that all receps. had to be pig tailed ,at every receptacle.Multi wire or not :roll:
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I still insist that my guys do this on commercial work, required or not. While not expressly improving the safety of the installation, it sure can go towards enhancing the useability of the installation in the future.
 
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If you pigtail on rough in, it is easier to trimm. esp with 12 wire.
 
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I have been pig tailing all receptacles on rough- in (commercial and residential) with strand pigtails, not only for grounding and circuit continuity but to prevent a series circuit with receptacles. "Strand is great", especially when you leave about a 1/4" of insulation tab on to prevent fraying of stands when hook terminating.
 
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Originally posted by triphase:
"Strand is great", especially when you leave about a 1/4" of insulation tab on to prevent fraying of stands when hook terminating.
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Are you talking about wraping a stranded wire arround a screw? Sounds cheezy to me, and may even be illegal. For stranded wire that needs to attach to a screw, we us "solderless terminals" often called sta-kons, after a popular brand name.
 
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The UL white book under category RTRT for receptacles says binding screw terminals are listed for solid and stranded wire. I terminate stranded wire with crimp on terminals like jb said.
 
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Originally posted by electricman2:
The UL white book under category RTRT for receptacles says binding screw terminals are listed for solid and stranded wire. I terminate stranded wire with crimp on terminals like jb said.
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isnt a binding screw terminal the kind with a flat plate that holds the wire? If so, then the piece of insulation left behind would interfeer with the connection.
 
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Originally posted by jbwhite:
Originally posted by electricman2:
The UL white book under category RTRT for receptacles says binding screw terminals are listed for solid and stranded wire. I terminate stranded wire with crimp on terminals like jb said.
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isnt a binding screw terminal the kind with a flat plate that holds the wire? If so, then the piece of insulation left behind would interfeer with the connection.
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Here is the page. It reads to me like the screws on regular receptacles.
 
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I learned from a helper that, if you twist the strands the "wrong way", i.e., left-handed, the strands fray from the screwhead much less.

Simply pinching the loop closed with needle-nose pliers while tighteneing the screw also works. It's not as unweildy as it sounds.
 
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electricman2 what i see on your page link
Terminals of the wire-binding screw, setscrew, or screw-actuated back wired clamping types are suitable for use with both solid and stranded building wires.
appears to say that it is legal. I still say that it is cheezy, and will keep using my sta-kons.

I guess it falls under the code not being a design manual issue. :)
 
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I have almost never used a stak-on to connect stranded to a screw terminal.

It can be cheesy or professional, it all depends on the installer.

I am not saying it takes a special talent only that it takes practice and pride in the trade to have it come out nicely.

Truthfully most of the devices we use are of the 'screw pressure plate' type so that makes life quick and easy. :)
 
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Originally posted by iwire:
most of the devices we use are of the 'screw pressure plate' type so that makes life quick and easy. :)
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I spent two years convincing my current boss that the extra cost of these devices was worth the labor savings on trimm.

A couple months ago he made mention to only buying them from now on, and didnt give me a lick of credit. :(
 
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I guess you misunderstood Me. I strip about 3/4" of insulation from the strand leaving a little tab at the end of the wire this holds the strands together while wrapping the wire under and around the screw terminal there is no insulation under the terminal! It is acceptable, professional and it works! CHEESY is how I like My PIZZA !
 
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Originally posted by hardworkingstiff:
Originally posted by electricman:
Originally posted by jbwhite:
I still say that it is cheezy, and will keep using my sta-kons. :)
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Me too. :D

Why do so many electricians have the "It's either my way or it is cheesy" attitude?

Really, has anyone else noticed that about our trade? :eek:
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On My jobs we leave that kind of ego at home. We all get along and produce a nice safe product, per code, etc. Also, we are kind and professional to each other. I guess that is why we are so busy. We are ELectricians and do not use the word "CHEESY" On that note "Iam outta here" MERRY CHRISTMAS!
 
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By Bob:

Why do so many electricians have the "It's either my way or it is cheesy" attitude?
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Because if there was a better way to do it I'd be doing it that way. Besides, that's usually the first thing an apprentice is taught. :D

The way "I" do it is to use solid conductors. I really don't like going to a screw terminal with stranded. And I don't like needing a pigtail or a lug. Wire goes right to device. Most elegant practical and I'd even venture to say reliable.
 
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