What is it about "Gmack" that is of interest ?
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What is it about "Gmack" that is of interest ?
chris kennedy
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- 60 yr old tool twisting electrician
I did the search and still have this same question.
TOOL_5150
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I sure more people die a year from 120vac then others but I have to assume that also is because it is the common voltage seen throughout the US. I work on certain things hot like most of you and others I turn off. I have always been told amps kill not voltage, any voltage can kill you but what you want to avoid the current crossing your heart. Now I have never researched this before or real gave to much thought. I know I've been bit probably once a month by 120 vac for the past five years and dirty power seems to hurt alot more. I saw an electrician in the Middle East grab a single 240 vac line with two fingers and touch his big toe to the earth. This was his tester. Everyone on this site was trained differently, you could die tomorrow crossing the street or driving to work. I am not going to have an all circuits off paranoia, and I don't test circuits with my fingers, I just noticed that caluiced fingers allow how to grab hot wires. If I get bit it is because I made a mistake.
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I sure more people die a year from 120vac then others but I have to assume that also is because it is the common voltage seen throughout the US. I work on certain things hot like most of you and others I turn off. I have always been told amps kill not voltage, any voltage can kill you but what you want to avoid the current crossing your heart. Now I have never researched this before or real gave to much thought. I know I've been bit probably once a month by 120 vac for the past five years and dirty power seems to hurt alot more. I saw an electrician in the Middle East grab a single 240 vac line with two fingers and touch his big toe to the earth. This was his tester. Everyone on this site was trained differently, you could die tomorrow crossing the street or driving to work. I am not going to have an all circuits off paranoia, and I don't test circuits with my fingers, I just noticed that caluiced fingers allow how to grab hot wires. If I get bit it is because I made a mistake.
steelersman
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Ha ha ha. That's what I was thinking. Why are some people unable to express themselves and form complete sentences that make sense. I mean it's so easy a caveman can do it!
cadpoint
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- Electrician - but not by NC Law.
I consider anything above 12v as high voltage!:smile:
Seems like you haven't missed anything yet! Well ok 12V's
Welp, your in the club now... the search is free here
I just don't practice that, we all have or own peril's of addressing these issues as presented, If the high road is the safest then I like to think where all there, all the time...
OSHA has a standing rule, and a good one to follow, no hot work, beside we like it here, we know you like it here, the more the merrier.
A deep thought I have about this vocation is:
"I'm in the only job where no potential is desired, How ones accomplish this should be to not creat any potential for the ones that will follow, but one gets to creat alone the way."
wptski
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That's not really true and it's been mentioned here before. A maintaince electrician has to troubleshoot with the equipment powered up or they can't do their job. If/when they find a defective part, they then are required to follow LOTO procedures which includes electrical, air, water, steam and good old gravity. That actually goes for "any" trade, machine operators, jobsetters, engineers, etc. too. Troubleshooting under power is allowed.
cadpoint
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- Durham, NC
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- Electrician - but not by NC Law.
Peril, the word covers my thought here, I've advocated only correct and proper PP Gear, and safe working methods. I stated that how ones deals with their work, Peril, it is and always should be to a above board and at a SAFETY level.
If I par-phased or lost you in that chain of thought, truely this is not intent.
People have to Work, Safety is, bottom line one's personal peril, its not a because, it should not be, a should be , or should have been, or even will be !?
IT IS: One-Self, On the Line!
I'd rather weld without a license than play with a live wire.
Jim W in Tampa
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ex partner could do same.Simply put his skin thick and dry and was always full of antifreeze. Shock not kill him but antifreez did
MAK
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Gmack: Bitter party of 1
Gmack: Bitter party of 1
I did a search and found this to be relevant http://forums.mikeholt.com/showthread.php?t=76443&page=7 (as well as scary and hilarious!)
I read a lot of his posts trying to find what was relevant to this thread.
From what I've gathered Gmack was an older electrician stuck in his ways that could not be told anything contrary to his beliefs and did not seem to have any respect for George Stolz. I am guessing (IMO) he got banned because he was a jerk who insulted people when they did not agree with him.
Gmack: Bitter party of 1
I did a search and found this to be relevant http://forums.mikeholt.com/showthread.php?t=76443&page=7 (as well as scary and hilarious!)
I read a lot of his posts trying to find what was relevant to this thread.
From what I've gathered Gmack was an older electrician stuck in his ways that could not be told anything contrary to his beliefs and did not seem to have any respect for George Stolz. I am guessing (IMO) he got banned because he was a jerk who insulted people when they did not agree with him.
wptski
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You use a tester or DMM, correct? Maybe just to check for voltage. Some electricians have to take that a lot further! Maintainence electricians have become electronic technicians. Where I worked, each had a laptop PC to interface to machine controllers.
I'f all you do is construction work, you wouldn't know anything about this type of work. It's like trying to diagnose a drivability problem with your car/truck with the engine OFF! There are areas in manufacturing where electricians work on switchgear, etc. requiring PPE but that's a small area and a special group or department.
cadpoint
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- Electrician - but not by NC Law.
If you think that, thats your story. I'm sorry, I'm so narrow in your mind as to not understand!
Don't short guess me.
Who's got the blinders on now.
I'll stand with what I've Said ...
wptski
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No blinders here but your kind-of stuck on this working with the power ON. Simply put, you can't troubleshoot electrically operated machinery with the power OFF. It's a fact of life!
All your bio states is "journeyman", so I assume a electrician but there are several different types or catagories depending on what type of work you do or don't do.
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- Windsor, CO NEC: 2017
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- Hospital Master Electrician
...and many of the posts in the twilight of his stay here centered on this topic, yes. Given his love for me, he stands out in my mind, and when this topic comes up I look for his posts and backtrack to find them quickly.
I agree, but also assume that the lack of respect for 120V is a prime contributor.Aldrell said:
Here's a question for you: how much are you worth to your family? How much are gloves? How hard is it to troubleshoot/repair many problems de-energized?
How many 120V victims do you believe didn't realize current travelling through their hearts would kill them?
mdshunk
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This thread brings an old prank to my memory. One guy would take and spray his fingertips on both hands with contact cleaner to remove all the oils and moisture. He'd hold each lead of an energized 120V cord to demonstrate how "one-twenty doesn't hurt". A willing suspect would try the same thing and get the crap shocked out of them. I'd never do that now, knowing what I know, but it was funny back then.
quogueelectric
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- new york
That should be on the licensing test.
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- Illinois
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- retired electrician
It really doesn't matter what type of diagnostic equipment that you are using, if you are exposed to more than 50 volts or within the arc flash area you have to use PPE to protect you from the voltage and the arc flash. The voltage PPE even applies to board level trouble shooting if the voltage exceeds 50 volts.
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