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Ravenvalor

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Hi Folks,
I am a 49 year old electrical contractor who runs a one man shop. I have been thinking about buying and learning Autocad and offering my services to the local electrical engineers in the area. Does this sound like a good plan or should I go to night school and get a BS in EE?
Thanks,
Jim
 
Jim,

Check into the engineering firms in your area to see if they need field inspectors for there projects under construction. If you are hired by one of them you could learn the Acad on the job best way to learn IMO. Once you learn the basics you could start designing. If you have time you could go night for your degree on there dime if they have continuing education within the company. To get your PE stamp it will probally take 4-8 years depending on the state you alive in. Don't forget you always have part time side work if you need to get away from a desk. A full seat of Autocad runs around $2500, and Autocad light is around $500, same comcept as full seat without the bells and whistles.

- JWC
 
I'd take a course in CAD, probably an intermediate level, depending on your ability to pick up software quickly. Definitely don't over emphasize your CAD abilities to a potential employer! We've canned a few people who said they knew CAD/Revit well and when they had to do work on it, their lack of skill showed through.

Given your years of experience, another option would be to sit for the FE exam and become an EI. That would definitely help you to get your foot in the door at an engineering firm. You could also try for a construction administration job.

Definitely don't think you need to know CAD or have a degree to get a good job at a consulting firm. My firm has quite a few guys with no degree or CAD skills. They take the role of a designer and mark-up drawings for our CAD guys.
 
there are a lot of mediocre autocad operators out there looking for work. the world does not need another one.

i would look for something you can offer an employer they can't get elsewhere.

besides, even a really good autocad drafter is unlikely to make much more than $20 an hour. There are just way too many of them on the market.
 
I would strongly suggest taking a CAD course. As far as investment goes.
I just got AutoCAD 2010 full version (now 2011) with subscription, and
it was $4676.25. Not a cheap toy! :)
 
Hi Folks,
I am a 49 year old electrical contractor who runs a one man shop. I have been thinking about buying and learning Autocad and offering my services to the local electrical engineers in the area. Does this sound like a good plan or should I go to night school and get a BS in EE?
Thanks,
Jim

First off, good question. I have direct experience with your situation, although I was a little younger when I was in the same quandary, so I can give some insight to what I encountered, and decided. I assume your not thinking you can sell your engineering services without a PE stamp. You could offer CAD service, but to make money you better be good.

I was an electrician, I became and engineer, why? I thought I could use my experience in the field to do better designs. During engineering school, I realized very quickly, that being an engineer and being a designer are not one in the same. Once you finish school, you can go to work for an A/e or E/a firm, or strictly engineering firm, or Contractor. Design will be required, but now, hopefully anyway, you will have a better understanding of why you are making certain design decisions, i.e. theory behind the choices. CAD capability is not always required as an engineer, (I have never done CAD work) but it completely depends on who you are working for, and in large part dependent on the type of work they do. I work for a large engineering company, we have specific CAD people, some of them are Sr. Designers.

Other firms, such as A/e and E/a, the entry level engineers, will often do CAD work, typical of commercial and building type projects. It's not until you get to the upper-mid, and Sr. level that you design and someone else does CAD.

Because I do have designers on staff, this is what I can tell you about them. They are worth their weight in gold, especially if they can do CAD as well. Designers with no CAD capability are still useful, but you better be able to come in at a Top SR. level and immediately produce. Essentially do just about everything an engineer can do, but without the degree. That's tough to do without previous office experience.

The practicality is, that starting at nearly 50, if you have no prior school experience, you are going to be starting with 18yr olds, who may actually know more than yourself. If it's been some time that you've been away from school you may need to take some review courses at a JC. I had to do that even though I did do college straight out of High School, couldn't remember the basic algebra stuff, it's very humbling to say the least. Ended up getting an AA from a JC before going on to finish. You are going to need to feed yourself while your in school, but night classes are not always available because lab work is required. Engineering and day job? So say you can finish in 7-8 years. You have an engineering degree, with a lot of field experience, and no CAD. Entry level engineer pay will be around +/- $45K (that's a real ballpark and a lot of factors) not sure what you were looking for.

On the flip side you have good field knowledge (journeyman/master electrician) with bidding capability, or at least how to do estimates (worked for yourself). You take 9-months of CAD classes from ITT or something, to learn how to push the buttons, and learn the basics. Maybe even look into CM certificate/degree. Now you are worth something to a manager or large Contractor that has engineering/design in house. I'd say your pay probably goes up to $65K-$80K. If you are willing to travel; even more, and this took a year, maybe two.

IMHO, you would be better to go the CAD route and work toward CM. You will not make as much in the end, but it would probably take 10 yrs after you get your degree to make the same as you might get with your experience combined with CAD and CM in a much shorter time frame.

I guess this is also assuming you don't have a socialite wife to support you, but if that was the case, you'd probably be sipping Mai-Tai's on the beach, instead of pondering a career change. ;)
 
just get busy

just get busy

whatever you do ,just get busy and do something ,once you get in the roll of things there may be more out there for you to conquer,you will do well
 
First off, good question. I have direct experience with your situation, although I was a little younger when I was in the same quandary, so I can give some insight to what I encountered, and decided. I assume your not thinking you can sell your engineering services without a PE stamp. You could offer CAD service, but to make money you better be good.

I was an electrician, I became and engineer, why? I thought I could use my experience in the field to do better designs. During engineering school, I realized very quickly, that being an engineer and being a designer are not one in the same. Once you finish school, you can go to work for an A/e or E/a firm, or strictly engineering firm, or Contractor. Design will be required, but now, hopefully anyway, you will have a better understanding of why you are making certain design decisions, i.e. theory behind the choices. CAD capability is not always required as an engineer, (I have never done CAD work) but it completely depends on who you are working for, and in large part dependent on the type of work they do. I work for a large engineering company, we have specific CAD people, some of them are Sr. Designers.

Other firms, such as A/e and E/a, the entry level engineers, will often do CAD work, typical of commercial and building type projects. It's not until you get to the upper-mid, and Sr. level that you design and someone else does CAD.

Because I do have designers on staff, this is what I can tell you about them. They are worth their weight in gold, especially if they can do CAD as well. Designers with no CAD capability are still useful, but you better be able to come in at a Top SR. level and immediately produce. Essentially do just about everything an engineer can do, but without the degree. That's tough to do without previous office experience.

The practicality is, that starting at nearly 50, if you have no prior school experience, you are going to be starting with 18yr olds, who may actually know more than yourself. If it's been some time that you've been away from school you may need to take some review courses at a JC. I had to do that even though I did do college straight out of High School, couldn't remember the basic algebra stuff, it's very humbling to say the least. Ended up getting an AA from a JC before going on to finish. You are going to need to feed yourself while your in school, but night classes are not always available because lab work is required. Engineering and day job? So say you can finish in 7-8 years. You have an engineering degree, with a lot of field experience, and no CAD. Entry level engineer pay will be around +/- $45K (that's a real ballpark and a lot of factors) not sure what you were looking for.

On the flip side you have good field knowledge (journeyman/master electrician) with bidding capability, or at least how to do estimates (worked for yourself). You take 9-months of CAD classes from ITT or something, to learn how to push the buttons, and learn the basics. Maybe even look into CM certificate/degree. Now you are worth something to a manager or large Contractor that has engineering/design in house. I'd say your pay probably goes up to $65K-$80K. If you are willing to travel; even more, and this took a year, maybe two.

IMHO, you would be better to go the CAD route and work toward CM. You will not make as much in the end, but it would probably take 10 yrs after you get your degree to make the same as you might get with your experience combined with CAD and CM in a much shorter time frame.

I guess this is also assuming you don't have a socialite wife to support you, but if that was the case, you'd probably be sipping Mai-Tai's on the beach, instead of pondering a career change. ;)

This is great advice! I too, am from the field. I really wish I would have had your guidance when starting my upward climb (I'm still climbing). The thing I
have learned while working as a designer, is that you can learn CAD in school
but, I have yet to find a school that teaches, "Working with Architects,
Mechanical, Plumbing engineers, and adapting to CAD lay-outs that are
improvised , varying by skill level , personal preference, and still make
the deadline 101." :)
 
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