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EC, New York NEC: 2017
- Location
- Little Falls, New York NEC: 2017
- Occupation
- EC
If the video is digital it won't be fuzzy, it will be pixelated, blocky, or stop-start if it is interfered with.
Believe me, the video won't be affected!
-Hal
If the video is digital it won't be fuzzy, it will be pixelated, blocky, or stop-start if it is interfered with.
That should surprise no one. Digital signals are generally error checked while analog signals can just go all over the place.I once got a tour of a fiber optic cable manufacturing plant. One of the tests this plant performed on the final spool was to run a video signal though the fiber spool and show a test pattern on a TV. They found that using a modern TV with a digital TV signal never showed marginal fiber, while an older analog TV and signal showed marginal fiber as distortion in the test pattern.
In the olden days when you were watching TV over the air and the signal was weak, the video would get "snowy" but you could still watch it until it got really bad, and the audio was the last thing to crap out. These days if the signal degrades you get video shredding and freezes along with "goat boy" audio. It either works perfectly or it doesn't work at all. Is that better?That should surprise no one. Digital signals are generally error checked while analog signals can just go all over the place.
Reminds me of the days of adjusting the rabbit ear antenna on the TV "just so" to get the best signal. Sometimes, you had to not let go of it because your body contact improved the reception!In the olden days when you were watching TV over the air and the signal was weak, the video would get "snowy" but you could still watch it until it got really bad, and the audio was the last thing to crap out. These days if the signal degrades you get video shredding and freezes along with "goat boy" audio. It either works perfectly or it doesn't work at all. Is that better?![]()
Allen Bradly makes a 600 Volt rated Cat5 cable I have seen used. Its cat5 not 6Your only options are in 725.136(I).
If you're using the CAT5 for Ethernet, then yes.Ethernet cables are class 2 circuits. How do you get around the requirements of article 725?
How would one know this? Are network devices (routers, switches) so marked?Ethernet cables are class 2 circuits.
1) where?Unless you want to start another 20 page debate, the reason is because ethernet is included in 725. That's the only reason.
-Hal
It really gets down to the definition of a communications circuit. The rules in 800 (805 in the 2020) for communications equipment end at the load side of the first customer owned equipment. This also puts phone wiring on the building side of a private PBX into Article 725.How would one know this? Are network devices (routers, switches) so marked?
Just take a peek in your network closet, look at the power supply for your network switch or router, dont accidentally unplug your office network, do you see anything that says class 2 on it?How would one know this? Are network devices (routers, switches) so marked?
I still have to do that for over the air reception. The difference is in what lower quality digital signal looks like vs analog. With analog "close enough" works but not so for digital.Reminds me of the days of adjusting the rabbit ear antenna on the TV "just so" to get the best signal. Sometimes, you had to not let go of it because your body contact improved the reception!![]()
As far as I know there is no cable on the market that meets the requirements in 725.136(I)(1) or (2). The cable that is used inside MC for 0-10 volt dimming controls is specifically listed for that purpose.Just take a peek in your network closet, look at the power supply for your network switch or router, dont accidentally unplug your office network, do you see anything that says class 2 on it?
That would be a art 725.121 (A)(2) class 2 power supply.
A communications circuit as defined by article 800, I think of like 'service conductors' they originate from a provider, enter the building then go to all the customer owned equipment such as old landline phone, fax, T1 or DSL modems, stopping when that equipment powers a new circuit off local power.
Or the coax/fiber from the street to the first modem.
Like I said they make cat 5 and even cat 6 that is crush resistant and for any AHJ I know meets the 'barrier' requirement in 725.136(B)
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Industrial Category 6A Cable
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(2017) 725.136(I)(1)(b) includes the term "metal-sheathed" cables, which strikes me as a general term, not referring to any specific Chapter 3 wiring method, unlike the other options ("metal-clad, non-metallic sheathed, or type UF"). So how about an armored Cat5 cable inside a raceway with individual power conductors? That would seem to qualify as "metal-sheathed" to me.As far as I know there is no cable on the market that meets the requirements in 725.136(I)(1) or (2).
I believe it was written that way to permit both MC and AC cables, but I see no reason why armored CAT5 would not be acceptable.(2017) 725.136(I)(1)(b) includes the term "metal-sheathed" cables, which strikes me as a general term, not referring to any specific Chapter 3 wiring method, unlike the other options ("metal-clad, non-metallic sheathed, or type UF"). So how about an armored Cat5 cable inside a raceway with individual power conductors? That would seem to qualify as "metal-sheathed" to me.
E.g., to pick a random brand:
Cheers, Wayne
Bingo!725.136 ( I )(1) Pull out the THWN conductors powering the light and replace them with UF Cable, along with your cat 5 .
Providing your existing conduit is sized big enough for that......