Ceiling fan Down-rod

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480sparky said:
If you can get the wire nuts into the rod, fine. But you can buy the butt splices at any wholesale house, the Big Blue/Orange Boxes, auto supply stores, gas stations, Wally World....
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Your assuming he has a crimping tool.
 
480sparky said:
If you can get the wire nuts into the rod, fine. But you can buy the butt splices at any wholesale house, the Big Blue/Orange Boxes, auto supply stores, gas stations, Wally World....
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And for gosh sakes, use that thing on top of your neck ... cut the leads at staggered lengths ... maybe 2" apart ... so there is no butt splice beside another.
 
chris kennedy said:
Your assuming he has a crimping tool.
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You mean there's guys out there that don't????
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GeorgeB said:
And for gosh sakes, use that thing on top of your neck ... cut the leads at staggered lengths ... maybe 2" apart ... so there is no butt splice beside another.
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Ahh, the memories...lessons learned the hard way. Ain't nothing like making those splices and then realizing you forgot to stagger them. Thanks George, I was almost over that incident. :grin:
 
GeorgeB said:
And for gosh sakes, use that thing on top of your neck ... cut the leads at staggered lengths ... maybe 2" apart ... so there is no butt splice beside another.
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Absolutely! I learned this years ago when extending the factory handle-bar wiring harnesses while adding hi-rise bars to my old SOHC Honda CB-750.

I stagger-cut one wire at a time and added a section of wire, using solder and heat-shrink. I finished the first joints just before the second ones started.
 
LarryFine said:
Absolutely! I learned this years ago when extending the factory handle-bar wiring harnesses while adding hi-rise bars to my old SOHC Honda CB-750.

I stagger-cut one wire at a time and added a section of wire, using solder and heat-shrink. I finished the first joints just before the second ones started.
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I was wondering if I was the only one that solders and uses heat shrink when extending fan wires.

Sure, it takes a little longer, but it is a superior method.
Never had a solder joint come loose in a downrod before.
That wire will get a lot of "wiggle" over the life of the fan, especially if the fan "wobbles":) .

steve
 
300.13 Mechanical and Electrical Continuity - Conductors

(A) General.
Conductors in raceways shall be continuous between outlets, boxes, devices, and so forth. There shall be no splice or tapp within a raceway unless permitted by...

Art 100
Raceway
An enclosed channel of metal or nonmetallic materials designed expressly for holding wires, cables or busbars, with additional functions as permitted in this Code. Raceways include, but are not limited to...




I believe between these two different sections, that splicing in the downrod of a fan is not permitted.
 
Pierre C Belarge said:
I believe between these two different sections, that splicing in the downrod of a fan is not permitted.
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I believe you are mistaken.

I believe you are trying to find a way to make something against code that simply strikes you as wrong.

1) The rod is likely listed as a 'fan accessory'

2) The manufacturers sell a kit to butt spilce in the rod.

3) The down rod is not a raceway.....if you insist on calling it a raceway even though it is not listed as one we can not hang a fan from a it.

Can you name any raceway that does not require a listing?
 
One can hang a fan from a "raceway" as long as it is part of a "listed assembly" aka part of the fan as sent from the factory.

I am not looking for something that seems wrong, I am trying to make sure that I understand the code, partially based on the input I receive back from the guys/gals in this forum...as we all know, it is a great place to throw out our ideas (just like the idea you have in regards to this topic) and wait back for the feedback. I have been at this site for a long time, and have had to eat "crow" more times than I would like to remember.

I know sometimes it is hard to understand what someone "writes" here, as we mostly cannot emphasize exactly how we feel or write what we really mean. It can be harsh of some to put into other peoples post what was not meant. Sometimes the people who post in response are a little harsh...I can say that I too am guilty, yet I have tried of late to be less so... some little birdie PMed me to let me know :wink:
 
I just read through this thread and i didn't see one other possibility. When i had to hang a fan off of a pipe that was longer than the wires, i simply pulled the factory wires back through the fan and replaced them with longer wires. No splices in the tube/pipe. What codes and listings did i violate? :-? :-?
 
I would say that the definiton of raceway in the NEC does not apply because the NEC does not apply to the fan guy . If they intend to use downrods longer than leads provided they must provide a method by which to accomplish it.
 
iwire said:
:cool:

I was starting to call UL to come out and re-evaluate the fan for compliance but my boss overheard me and started beating me. :D
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To avoid any beatings, let's avoid playing the UL card for now...

Certainly appliances/fixtures get rewired, is there no code that covers this? or it it a free-for-all to do whatever you want?
 
eric stromberg said:
When i had to hang a fan off of a pipe that was longer than the wires, i simply pulled the factory wires back through the fan and replaced them with longer wires.
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Certainly that would be the first thought of how to handle it.:smile:

For whatever reason that was not an easy option on the fan I spliced in the tube of.
 
Heh heh....slow news day I guess.



Butt splice, stagger, tug and tape.

Legal/illegal I don't care. I'm a rebel.:cool:


The only thing I can think of is some kind of "remanufactured equipment" clause somewhere. a LOT of things are probably illegal if you look hard enough and use a broad enough interpretation.
 
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