Ceiling fan outlet required or not?

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We can only hope that inspectors will use some discretion when enforcing this one.

But, as Streamline posted, aren't most round nail on boxes listed/marked for fixture support anyway? Was this a roundabout attempt to get a fan boxer requirement into the NEC?
 
peter d said:
We can only hope that inspectors will use some discretion when enforcing this one.
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I hope it extends beyond the inspector's discretion ....right to the State level as NJ did with previous AFCI requirements.

It's a truly ridiculous requirement that has little bearing on " practical safeguarding of persons and property from hazards arising from the use of electricity." and more to do with design issues.



peter d said:
But, as Streamline posted, aren't most round nail on boxes listed/marked for fixture support anyway? Was this a roundabout attempt to get a fan boxer requirement into the NEC?
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Is a 4S and round mud ring rated for fixture support?
 
stickboy1375 said:
IMO this code is uncalled for... so in an attic I need a box being able to support 50lb's? thats some keyless fixture...
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At every outlet used exclusively for lighting, the box shall be designed or installed so that a luminaire may be attached.

I am curious. Are there very many boxes where a luminaire may not be attached. Now keep in mind that what it says is that it shall be designed or installed so that a luminaire may be attached.:)
 
iwire said:
Thats a good point.

Attic, crawls, basements, garages.:roll:
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The article in question specifies "in a ceiling." I think we are ok in your examples. But the closets and tiny bathrooms in a later post would be included. NEC 2008 314.27A
 
jrclen said:
The article in question specifies "in a ceiling." I think we are ok in your examples. But the closets and tiny bathrooms in a later post would be included. NEC 2008 314.27A
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Why? Garages all of a sudden do not have ceilings?
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
NEC has turned into a sales thing,its no longer about safety but about forcing us to buy what they want to sell.
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I don't agree. Yes, some NEC rules are very questionable, and I don't like the direction that the NEC is heading at all.

But the vast majority of NEC rules are still within the stated purpose of practical safeguarding.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
NEC has turned into a sales thing,its no longer about safety but about forcing us to buy what they want to sell.
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Not what they want to sell, but what companies want to sell, the 2008 edition IMO is the most manufactured influenced I've ever read.
 
iwire said:
I have never seen a basement, garage or crawl without a 'ceiling' even if that ceiling is floor joists and plywood.
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Around here we call those floor joists and plywood. But you can call them a ceiling if you like. The question is, what the inspectors will call them? ;)
 
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