Ceiling lights in drop ceiling. Options.

fastline

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Assisting with an office build inside a steel building. For construction speed reasons, the customer is weighing options to use a drop ceiling under the wood floor trusses. They prefer the look of can lights, but with the lighting needs, it will be a lot of wiring. Are there any options your customers have liked that provide good light, yet a bit different than typical 2x4 coffers?

The building is technically residential, but they are looking to zone to commercial later so sticking to commercial code, which is no NM.
 
This fixture is great. https://www.jlc-tech.com/t-bar-led/products/. It replaces the actual T-Bar. It is POE, so one driver for every 5 fixtures with a Cat 5 cable from the driver to each fixture.
Damn, I'm glad I asked! That is very interesting and inline with what I was cooking up. Something 'different' than you typically see. Let me know if there are others like this that are similar. I do wonder if they would actually disperse light correctly though. Some of the China toys have zero optical design work.

Also wondering about POE as a power source for lights? Per code anyway.
 
How big are the rooms and how high are the ceilings?
Good question. Office is super basic. 2 offices that are roughly 9x11, conference room is 25x18, one bath and small kitchen area. Then a separated 17x18 space that is an inspection lab. Now that area must have really good lighting but is not considered office space.

Most ceilings are 10ft, but a small area in inspection lab that goes up to 14ft to fit a machine.
 
Damn, I'm glad I asked! That is very interesting and inline with what I was cooking up. Something 'different' than you typically see. Let me know if there are others like this that are similar. I do wonder if they would actually disperse light correctly though. Some of the China toys have zero optical design work.

Also wondering about POE as a power source for lights? Per code anyway.
We used these at the multi-million dollar showcased University of Florida indoor football training facility, so believe me they are functional. POE is sort of a misnomer in my opinion. I envisioned, an 8 port hub connected to the ether, when I first envisioned it, but that isn't so. It more like a cable that happens to have 8 conductors and end in an RJ45 jack that carries data such as dimming along with 24VDC power from the driver to the LED engine. Each hub is capable of powering only 5 lights and emergency lights must be separate.
 
Assisting with an office build inside a steel building. For construction speed reasons, the customer is weighing options to use a drop ceiling under the wood floor trusses. They prefer the look of can lights, but with the lighting needs, it will be a lot of wiring. Are there any options your customers have liked that provide good light, yet a bit different than typical 2x4 coffers?

The building is technically residential, but they are looking to zone to commercial later so sticking to commercial code, which is no NM.
There are many different requirements for commercial lighting that wouldn't appear in residential lighting. Considerations for min lighting level throughout the space, egress lighting (that can include path of egress if in a larger more open area that may only be divided by cubical or shelfing like a warehouse), even energy codes coming into play with dimming and occupancy controls.
Consideration of a light dispersion area will dictate the quantity of lights to meet the various other requirements, such as shadowing in between fixtures at the vision level (library or school at the desk level vs a level for shelve view as in a store) A lot of codes just related to lighting levels only may need to be complied with depending on occupancies. for instance NFPA1901, NFPA 1900, NFPA 731, NFPA 286, NFPA 265, NFPA 72, NFPA 99, NFPA 5000, NFPA 73, NFPA 101, in addition to any energy codes from a local/state code, among others, (not all may apply in any given installation but any could have an impact). It's no longer just simple "we'll throw in x number of fixtures and call it a day".

Have used the flat panel LED that would look like just a typical tile until the light was on, No shadows and good lighting levels, and dimmable. Have seen more decorative lights that hang down off the ceiling area from stock level found in big box to one off custom made in a lighting shop that give a luxury look, that either supplement or act as sole lighting.

I think no matter how you light a larger commercial area there will be a significant amount of wire, whether it is traditional category 1 or a category 3 and POE.
 
This fixture is great. https://www.jlc-tech.com/t-bar-led/products/. It replaces the actual T-Bar. It is POE, so one driver for every 5 fixtures with a Cat 5 cable from the driver to each fixture.
That's pretty cool. Just because I'm too lazy to look it up and figure it out myself. What did the fixture layout work out to be and how many lumens per square foot was it?
 
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