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Jerramundi said:
Leave up to a vote by everyone who would live within range. If the public says no tower, then no tower. Period. That's how I see it.

I feel for these people that believe in Democracy and go to these town meetings only to be shunned. For now, the consensus seems to be that they are safe, but who knows what science will reveal in the coming decades.... or whether or not current studies have been "influenced," which is far from being conspiratorial. It's well documented history that big money can influence these studies. Period.

Leave it up to the people who would potentially be affected. End of story.
If the majority say no tower, tin foil hat or no tin foil hat, that's the answer. Full stop.
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You can say "end of story" and "full stop" all you want, but it ain't.
 
Jerramundi said:
...I feel for these people that believe in Democracy and go to these town meetings only to be shunned. For now, the consensus seems to be that they are safe, but who knows what science will reveal in the coming decades.... or whether or not current studies have been "influenced," which is far from being conspiratorial. It's well documented history that big money can influence these studies. .....
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You could apply the same reasoning to the polio vaccine.
 
ActionDave said:
You could apply the same reasoning to the polio vaccine.
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Are you all gonna honestly tell me that NO ONE ELSE has read these stories or seen these movies about small town folk being trampled by big money interests and feel for them to the point of thinking a public vote on issues like this is merely a good *suggestion?* I understand that in some cases we work for these companies and don't want to anger the likes of AT&T *bows*, but seriously?? I'm alone in this? So be it I guess.
 
ggunn said:
Didn't you hear? 5G started COVID-19!!! :D
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I thought about posting that but it wouldn't provide any useful info...but since you did, I was going to say the same thing. I got a facespace friend that swears 5G created COVID-19. He needs medication.
 
Here, they will not allow them to be tall enough to be lighted.
The leases usually pay well. I know of several people that lease land for that. The one in town started out to be tall, and had a large base, but the FAA shut them down because it was in the flight path of the local airport, so they stopped and put the antennas on the first section they built.
qcroanoke said:
Most public opposition to cell towers are for asthetics (nimby) not fear of RF dangers.
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4x4dually said:
I thought about posting that but it wouldn't provide any useful info...but since you did, I was going to say the same thing. I got a facespace friend that swears 5G created COVID-19. He needs medication.
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Quite a disingenuous framing to suggest that there is a valid comparison to be made between the mindsets of (1a) there could potentially be health issues revealed at a later date and (1b) studies can be influenced by those with power and money, which are both perfectly logical....
to (2) 5G started Covid, lol.

The two are not even in the same zip code, lol.
 
Leave up to a vote by everyone who would live within range. If the public says no tower, then no tower. Period. That's how I see it.

I feel for these people that believe in Democracy and go to these town meetings only to be shunned. For now, the consensus seems to be that they are safe, but who knows what science will reveal in the coming decades.... or whether or not current studies have been "influenced," which is far from being conspiratorial. It's well documented history that big money can influence these studies. Period.

Leave it up to the people who would potentially be affected. End of story.
If the majority say no tower, tin foil hat or no tin foil hat, that's the answer. Full stop.
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At least here, cell towers (or sites) cannot be opposed because of health reasons.

And if you left it up to "people within range" we would have no cell phones.

I live near Pocantico, the old Rockefeller property which is huge. The old guy never allowed a cell tower to be built on his property and it's probably written into the deed since he passed away and nothing has been built. There is a whole area of residential which includes a public school and churches that have no cell service. You have to drive down the road about a half mile to get reception.

-Hal
 
@Jerramundi
It appears that you're missing the distinction between generally asking the public's opinion and taking a lawful and legally-recognized vote. In many places, the zoning board (or whatever it's called) takes proposals and accepts public comment ("Notice and comment"), but only the board gets to vote on the matter. It it possible in Illinois that landowners within a certain distance might be allowed a legal vote on zoning matters (e.g. erecting a cell tower), but that's far from common IME. Also consider that urban and rural areas will operate differently.

The land owners may also have their own way of approving the lease, but their approval doesn't override a 'nay' zoning vote.
 
Jerramundi said:
Quite a disingenuous framing to suggest that there is a valid comparison to be made between the mindsets of (1a) there could potentially be health issues revealed at a later date and (1b) studies can be influenced by those with power and money, which are both perfectly logical....
to (2) 5G started Covid, lol.
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Did you not get that it was a joke?
 
zbang said:
@Jerramundi
It appears that you're missing the distinction between generally asking the public's opinion and taking a lawful and legally-recognized vote.
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Not at all. If I wanted to address "lawful and legally recognizing voting," which is an interesting juxtaposition to say, an individual utilizing their own power to simply give other people a say in the matter, as if that is somehow not lawful or legal, then I would have addressed it in that manner.

My position was just a personal opinion expressed to the OP and had nothing to do with zoning laws, or board members voting, or anything of that sort. OP asked and I gave my opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.

I've seen countless of these things go up in my neighborhood, on public property, and never heard a peep about a vote or anything of the sort, so I have a different position on the matter. They seem to be going up everywhere without notice as if we, the public, have no say in what happens with public infrastructure anymore, and I find that to be concerning.
 
Ah, but you do have a say! Chicago requires zoning approval for new towers, and AFAICT that requires publishing notices of action and the solicitation of comments. Some zoning changes even required notices be mailed to surrounding properties.

Anyway, a cell phone company is going to hire companies that specialize in the planning, permits, zoning, and design of these towers. In most places, you can bet that they're dotting all the 'i's along the way.
 
Jerramundi said:
I've seen countless of these things go up in my neighborhood, on public property, and never heard a peep about a vote or anything of the sort, so I have a different position on the matter. They seem to be going up everywhere without notice as if we, the public, have no say in what happens with public infrastructure anymore, and I find that to be concerning.
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Generally, in Illinois, a public body cannot lease public property without a fairly lengthy process that involves publishing various notices of what they want to do and multiple public votes by the governmental body that wants to lease the property. Usually they even publish their intent on their web sites. It is not a secret. You just have to care enough about the issue to keep an eye on what is going on. Very few people do.
 
zbang said:
Ah, but you do have a say! Chicago requires zoning approval for new towers, and AFAICT that requires publishing notices of action and the solicitation of comments. Some zoning changes even required notices be mailed to surrounding properties.

Anyway, a cell phone company is going to hire companies that specialize in the planning, permits, zoning, and design of these towers. In most places, you can bet that they're dotting all the 'i's along the way.
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No publishing of notices and solicitating of comments that I've seen. The thing about that is, and this is precisely what I'm talking about in my overall position, is that there are ways to meet those "requirements" while not meeting those requirements.. and that's how the big boys play the proverbial game. That's why they're the big boys and why they dominate entire industries.
 
petersonra said:
Generally, in Illinois, a public body cannot lease public property without a fairly lengthy process that involves publishing various notices of what they want to do and multiple public votes by the governmental body that wants to lease the property. Usually they even publish their intent on their web sites. It is not a secret. You just have to care enough about the issue to keep an eye on what is going on. Very few people do.
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Best summary thus far... with the stipulation that, for example, it may be made public on a website, but that they might not do EVERYTHING they can to make sure you know what that website is.

Hit the nail on the head with "you have to care enough to seek it out and few do."

It's kind of like licensing here. I had to dig, and dig, and dig to understand the process for IC licensing. It was not something that was easily discoverable. At the time, which was almost 10 years ago, I spent weeks trying to figure it out and Jenny, that's all I'm going to say about that [because I wanna keep my legs, lol.]
 
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I have been a consultant on several easement / lease issues that were in dispute.
And there a few things I would put in the lease if they apply (there was a lawsuit about each one):
  • No directional boring to the site, all open trenches.
  • No overhead lines
  • Put a limit in db on the backup generator(s).
  • Put a time limit on any vandalism / graffiti / trash clean up with a back charge if you have to deal with it.
  • Be specific about the fencing if that matters.
  • All permits (building , electrical, mechanical) / FCC stuff must be finalized before the site is operational.
 
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