Change that corner outlet bit

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1.) NEC Section/Paragraph: Figure 210.52
2.) Proposal Recommends: deleted text
3.) Proposal: Delete the term indicated from Figure 210.52:
I would type the term in, but the site is perceiving it as instructions! :D
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4.) Substantiation: This figure is a good addition to the 2005. However, in practice, when a kitchen sink is placed the the corner of a kitchen, it is frequently flanked by windows. Just as frequently, the corner of the space lies just outside of 18" from the sink. This places an undue burden on the installer to not compromise the structure by cutting a receptacle outlet into load bearing corners or bearing studs surrounding windows.

In addition, the receptacle required is usually not readily accessible to most medium-height adults; a typical countertop is around 36" tall, and 24" deep. In the corners, this distance can increase dramatically, precluding the likelihood that such a receptacle outlet would ever be used for small appliances with 2' cords, behind a sink.

I am 6' 1", and I nearly have to get on the counter to touch kitchen corners that barely fall under this requirement.
 
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Bump.

Is my idea that brilliant or that dumb? :D

The stupid computer turned my image into "grayscale", so the text I typed onto my picture in red ink went gray. :roll: )
 
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I think it's an excellent idea. I also think NEC should adopt NYC's old standard requiring the 2 receptacles flanking the sink be on different small appliance circuits, since it seems no matter what the kitchen layout is, the sink is a magnet for most of the higher-amperage small appliances.
 
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Morning George I am kind of neutral on this issue but I will play devils advocate.

This places an undue burden on the installer to not compromise the structure by cutting a receptacle outlet into load bearing corners or bearing studs surrounding windows.
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I know in the real world this is a true statement, however in the CMP world the burden is on the kitchen designer.

precluding the likelihood that such a receptacle outlet would ever be used for small appliances with 2' cords, behind a sink.
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Cooking appliances I agree unlikely, other appliances as radios, TVs or even holiday decorations placed in the 'triangle' behind the sink.

My Mom would be very likely to place a small lighted Xmas tree in that space, don't tell anyone she would use the SABC for that. ;)


I like the flanking outlets for the normal counter top use but maybe there should be an outlet for this 'supplementary' ;) counter top space.
 
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Given the amount of exposure to 210.52 I have endured over the past six months, it strangely didn't really need any highlighting.

Article 250, on the other hand...
:D
 
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Bob, What does "MEC" over (E)Outdoor Outlets stand for? Mass. Electrical Code? :confused:

[ September 18, 2005, 11:57 AM: Message edited by: bphgravity ]
 
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Morning Bryan, you are correct that MEC is Mass. Elec. Code.

My book is the 2005 NEC with the MEC, other local laws, regulations and information bound into the front.

We have about 70 MEC amendments to the NEC and I mark all the effected NEC articles with red pen.
 
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My Mom would be very likely to place a small lighted Xmas tree in that space, don't tell anyone she would use the SABC for that. ;)

Are you intentionally trying to turn this into a thousand post thread?
 
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