kwired
Electron manager
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- NE Nebraska
Sounds to me like a good situation to sell them back their own property in the future on service calls or other installs.:happyyes::roll:
Circuit Breaker "On" with no connection
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Sounds to me like a good situation to sell them back their own property in the future on service calls or other installs.:happyyes::roll:
kwired
Electron manager
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- NE Nebraska
If this "joint commission" is concerned about a live terminal on a breaker with no load conductor - inside the panel, then it seems to me they should have concern over the live contact points inside every unused receptacle in the facility also:slaphead:
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- Placerville, CA, USA
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- Retired PV System Designer
Which is why there are little plastic covers inside the tamperproof receptacles to keep the electrons from spilling out. The little covers in hospital grade receptacles also provide a better seal.
kwired
Electron manager
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- NE Nebraska
But just like the breaker terminal, you have something energized that doesn't go anywhere. Take the wall plate off and you still have an exposed terminal on the receptacle.
Same thing in every wall switch when it is in the "off" position. I think someone seriously needs to point this problem out to the "joint commission":happyyes: We will then never have any unused receptacles, and never walk into a dark room either.
The electrons from the breaker will keep flowing and fill up the empty space in the panel. Be careful when removing the cover so as not to spill the loose electrons on the floor. Better yet have an apprentice standing by with a bucket to catch the loose electrons. Give the bucket to the Joint Commission. Tell them to save it for a rainy day.:lol:
That reminds me of cable TV installations where 75ohm cable is used. In order to keep the integrity of the system you can't simply parallel the different branches of the cable but must use splitters for the branches in order to keep the 75 ohm balance. Then at the end of each branch that isn't terminated on a TV you had to use a 75 ohm resistor to terminate it in order to maintain balance to the distribution system. Without those termination resistors to obsorb can you immagine the electrons getting confused by either spilling out all over or some decide to go back to where they came from with nowhere else to go.
Then, what happen to an 120v electric outlet if you don't have anything plugged into? Look at all of those electrons that are racing to them at the speed of light and can't stop. What keeps them from spilling out on to the floor.
Maybe those TV guys have the solution with they terminating resistors.
Have you ever wondered? A little humor (nonsense) if you're not real fussy.
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- Placerville, CA, USA
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- Retired PV System Designer
An excellent point!
Once we have every tee junction in a branch circuit equipped with a signal splitter, we will be ready to put roughly 300 ohm terminating resistors at all receptacles, and make sure to use only 50 watt bulbs for all lights and leave them on at all times. The tamper proof feature on the receptacles can be leveraged to also switch the terminating resistor in and out. Some signal splitters will have such a low signal at their output that we will have to put a power amplifier ahead of them to bring the voltage back up.
Devices which need more than 50W power from the wiring system will have to provide a local power source to amplify that signal and do the impedance matching.
This is a fun thought experiment.
kwired
Electron manager
- Location
- NE Nebraska
An excellent point!
Once we have every tee junction in a branch circuit equipped with a signal splitter, we will be ready to put roughly 300 ohm terminating resistors at all receptacles, and make sure to use only 50 watt bulbs for all lights and leave them on at all times. The tamper proof feature on the receptacles can be leveraged to also switch the terminating resistor in and out. Some signal splitters will have such a low signal at their output that we will have to put a power amplifier ahead of them to bring the voltage back up.
Devices which need more than 50W power from the wiring system will have to provide a local power source to amplify that signal and do the impedance matching.
This is a fun thought experiment.
The tamper proof receptacles already have a stop built in to keep electrons from spilling out of an unused receptacle
Seriously I do recall back in my apprentice days one of my college friends claiming that where he worked they had a lady customer wanting those child proof plastic plugs inserted in all non used receptacles, as she thought she was losing/wasting energy through the unused receptacles.
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The tamper proof receptacles already have a stop built in to keep electrons from spilling out of an unused receptacle
TR = Trickle Resistant.
At the risk of being disrispectfull to my mother in law earlier in my life she always struggled with mental illness. On time she went around her house and sprayed all of the of the outlet with silver paint . In her mind or was to keep the evil from coming out.
Does it mean any thing that she liked me?
Does it mean any thing that she liked me?
kwired
Electron manager
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- NE Nebraska
ggunn
PE (Electrical), NABCEP certified
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- Austin, TX, USA
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- Consulting Electrical Engineer - Photovoltaic Systems
In a somewhat related story...
I know this sounds like a Dilbert cartoon, but it really happened. A friend of mine was an IT manager for a government entity. His nontechnical boss somehow got hold of the IP number list for all the computers in their department and complained about the gaps in the list. He made my friend change them so that the gaps were eliminated.
- Location
- Placerville, CA, USA
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- Retired PV System Designer
Don't want to waste all those numbers!
ggunn
PE (Electrical), NABCEP certified
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- Austin, TX, USA
- Occupation
- Consulting Electrical Engineer - Photovoltaic Systems
The cable TV termination stuff is real. I have cable routed all over my house and until I terminated all the unused taps, I had all sorts of problems with the cable boxes' communication with the mother ship.
Did he do the same thing with phone numbers and extensions?
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- Placerville, CA, USA
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- Retired PV System Designer
It does put serious limits on your wiring scheme.
You can make all cables home runs, or
install a suitable splitter eat each place you branch or tap, pruning lots of point ti point runs that will have to be interconnected later using splitters and often terminators.
You can often get away with not terminating one or two cables from a four-way or more splitter, but too many unterminated.will add up to big problems.
Became a length of transmission line can act as a transformer, the problems can be frequency dependent.
- Location
- Placerville, CA, USA
- Occupation
- Retired PV System Designer
The really serious inefficiencies come from unused room numbers and street addresses.
The really serious inefficiencies come from unused room numbers and street addresses.
I just check the sunset times for this week. Tonight, the sun sets at 7:05. Tomorrow, 7:03. Somewhere between today and tomorrow, I lose 120 seconds. :lol:
ggunn
PE (Electrical), NABCEP certified
- Location
- Austin, TX, USA
- Occupation
- Consulting Electrical Engineer - Photovoltaic Systems
Actually, I found a really neat alternative to splitters. It's an 8 channel bidirectional video distribution amp. I have it mounted in a closet with home runs to all my video drops. All the unused ports are terminated, as are any drops that aren't connected to a device. It works great; I have cable boxes on two of the drops and they talk back to the cable company through the amp for on demand programming.
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